Research undermines medical marijuana claims

[CaliforniaCowboy]

The thing is, there is a dose effect with tobacco and cancer and heart disease. At doses of less than 1/2 ppd the association is no where near as strong as it is at 2 ppd. If MJ is legalized for recreational use and use because more widespread and socially acceptable we might see doses where there is an association.

And Townie, please don't give me that one guy who smoked 50 bongs a day without any ill effects. There are plenty of people who smoke tobacco a lot and live to ripe old ages, yet the association with cancer and heart disease is real. An anecdote only means that person dodged the bullet.

there is the "dose effect" as you mentioned, but also earlier studies relied on people doing illegal activities actually telling the truth about their usage - which has been demonstrated to produce faulty or incomplete results.

There is really no reliable long-term research on the topic because of the "dose effect", the lack of quality control over "strength", and the fact that it was actually illegal and relied on volunteers telling the truth.

 

[kaboy42]

@StillwaterTownie I'll buy you a bus ticket to Canada.

I'd chip in on this. I prefer to have fellow Oklahomans that are productive members of society.

 

[StillwaterTownie]

I'd chip in on this. I prefer to have fellow Oklahomans that are productive members of society.

Then how shall we raise your taxes so more prisons can be built to put unproductive people in who use drugs?

 

[kaboy42]

Then how shall we raise your taxes so more prisons can be built to put unproductive people in who use drugs?

Here's a novel idea... How about "don't use illegal drugs!"

It really is just.that.simple.


Sellers/dealers need to go to prison. Users need help.

 

[John C]

Since we don't have any pics of Townie, I will use this one in his stead.

 

[Rack]

No, it is a matter of FACT that your tax dollars were spent in a research study done to prove smoking marijuana causes LUNG cancer. NO such proof could be found. The lung specialist who led the study no longer sees any reason why marijuana should be banned.

The government has been working hard with your tax dollars over the years to prove that marijuana does great harm to the human body with little luck found in the process. It helps to explain why people are voting yes in more and more states to legalize rec marijuana.

Repetitive smoke (all types) in the lungs causes lung problems...cancer or not...that's just a fact.

 

[StillwaterTownie]

Repetitive smoke (all types) in the lungs causes lung problems...cancer or not...that's just a fact.

Then why isn't tobacco totally banned? Because the tobacco growing states would lose yet more billions of dollars?

 

[StillwaterTownie]

Here's a novel idea... How about "don't use illegal drugs!"

It really is just.that.simple.


Sellers/dealers need to go to prison. Users need help.

Yeah, just as simple as saying if you're against abortion, then don't go get one.

Interesting how liquor store clerks never have to go to prison. People oppose SQ788, because they FEAR how it allows possession of far too much marijuana. But I bet they never worry about liquor store clerks who can sell as much Everclear that a customer can carry out of the store. The hypocrisy of the opponents is mind boggling.

 

[StillwaterTownie]

Since we don't have any pics of Townie, I will use this one in his stead. View attachment 62047

Facts? I gather the grand hypocrisy of the marijuana issue doesn't bother you. While it is a FACT that Oklahoma is struggling with dealing with REEFER MADNESS issues in trying to get medical marijuana legalized on Tuesday, Canada as a matter of FACT has just decided to move on to legalizing and regulating marijuana to start later this year.

 

[kaboy42]

Interesting how liquor store clerks never have to go to prison. People oppose SQ788, because it allows possession of far too much marijuana. But I bet they never worry about liquor store clerks who can sell as much Everclear that a customer can carry out of the store.

LOL. Because selling alcohol to someone of legal age is... well... legal.


While selling/dealing illegal drugs to anyone is... well... ILLEGAL. It even says it in the name. . Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Okieleaks]

We need to make sure to remind Townie the vote is this Tuesday.

What are we voting for on Tuesday?

 

[StillwaterTownie]

LOL. Because selling alcohol to someone of legal age is... well... legal.


While selling/dealing illegal drugs to anyone is... well... ILLEGAL. It even says it in the name. . Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

You just made a good case to repeal prohibition. I seldom read in the paper of kids dying from drinking too much Everclear. Maybe because it's legal and REGULATED.

 

[StillwaterTownie]

LMAO... you are literally inhaling smoke in to your lungs. Don't care if it's tobacco, weed, burning trash, house fire, smoldering sheep carcass from a fire breathing dragon... do it long enough, especially concentrated inhaling right from the source, and it's going to do damage. It doesn't even take a scientist or a cardiopulmonary specialist to understand this simple concept.

But by all means, go ahead and tell someone that's forgotten more about the human body and interaction with foreign substances than you'll ever know in your entire lifetime... that he's wrong.

LOLOLLOLLOLLLOOLLL. Keep Calm and Townie On.

Then since so many people are addicted to the practice of hypocrisy, just try to practice what you preach when and if rec marijuana in Oklahoma is legalized. Tell me something? Are you ignorant of the FACT that there is a petition now in Oklahoma gathering signatures to vote on legalizing rec marijuana?

 

[kaboy42]

You just made a good case to repeal prohibition. I seldom read in the paper of kids dying from drinking too much Everclear. Maybe because it's legal and REGULATED.

Ummmm... people die of alcohol poisoning, alcoholism, and alcohol related injury deaths by the minute.

Dude, I don't write the laws. I'm just smart enough to follow them. I'm also smart enough to know that drugs are bad... period.

And alcohol consumed until your drunk off your ass isn't smart either.

Colorado made rec weed legal and regulated. Why's there still a very healthy black market for weed there? What does Colorado do to illegal growers and illegal sellers?


You were the one trying to make the case for Oklahoma prisons being full because of (implied minor) drug related charges. I'm saying that Oklahoma prisons are full of people who can't seem to follow laws... period. I have zero sympathy for them. NONE. ZERO! It's really not that hard to stay out of prison. Hell, it's not that hard to have never seen the inside of a local jail cell even.

 

[wrenhal]

You just made a good case to repeal prohibition. I seldom read in the paper of kids dying from drinking too much Everclear. Maybe because it's legal and REGULATED.

Ummmm... people die of alcohol poisoning, alcoholism, and alcohol related injury deaths by the minute.

Dude, I don't write the laws. I'm just smart enough to follow them. I'm also smart enough to know that drugs are bad... period.

And alcohol consumed until your drunk off your ass isn't smart either.

Colorado made rec weed legal and regulated. Why's there still a very healthy black market for weed there? What does Colorado do to illegal growers and illegal sellers?


You were the one trying to make the case for Oklahoma prisons being full because of (implied minor) drug related charges. I'm saying that Oklahoma prisons are full of people who can't seem to follow laws... period. I have zero sympathy for them. NONE. ZERO! It's really not that hard to stay out of prison. Hell, it's not that hard to have never seen the inside of a local jail cell even.

It's like the people that want to regulate guns more think that all of a sudden a criminal will start to follow those laws.

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[StillwaterTownie]

Regarding "Research weakens medical pot claims" (Our Views, June 17): There are more studies published (over 25,000) about the safe medical uses of cannabis than there are research studies for Tylenol. More at: https://newsok.com/article/5598660/advocate-reasons-to-back-oklahoma-medical-marijuana-question

 

[Pokey]

I'll vote for 788. My brother after chemo had no appetite and couldn't keep food down. Went to Colorado, has put on a few well needed pounds, and his last scan was cancer free. Colorado got the taxes, and he risked incarceration here to get well.

 

[jakeman]

Colorado made rec weed legal and regulated. Why's there still a very healthy black market for weed there? What does Colorado do to illegal growers and illegal sellers?

Which is why I favor decriminalization instead of legalizing.

Growing and possessing pot should carry the same criminal penalty as growing and possessing Big Boy tomatoes.

I don't smoke it, but I know a lot of people that do, and most of them are pretty successful.

I don't give a deuce what you're doing, if you're doing it to excess it's probably somewhat bad for you and those around you, and that includes beer, golfing, fishing, cheeseburgers and going to church or work.

 

[StillwaterTownie]

You were the one trying to make the case for Oklahoma prisons being full because of (implied minor) drug related charges. I'm saying that Oklahoma prisons are full of people who can't seem to follow laws... period. I have zero sympathy for them. NONE. ZERO! It's really not that hard to stay out of prison. Hell, it's not that hard to have never seen the inside of a local jail cell even.

Oklahoma prisons are overcrowded and under guarded. Once again, how shall we raise your taxes to build more prisons to maintain Oklahoma's status as the most imprisoned place in the world? The tough on crime Republicans don't seem to want to answer.

 

[StillwaterTownie]

It's like the people that want to regulate guns more think that all of a sudden a criminal will start to follow those laws.

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Then why don't gangs go to war over disputed alcohol turf?