Republicans Increasingly Believe That Education Is Bad For America

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It's no doubt so overwhelmingly true in Oklahoma when Republican legislators cut funding by nearly 16% in 2016 for higher education, even though OSU's president is a Republican. But it's apparently a reflection of how Oklahoman voters in general think of the importance of education. It's simply too heavy of a burden upon the people to bear, so lighten it up by cutting education funding. It's also about not taking care of you own by making teachers feel not welcomed or valued by refusing to raise their pay.

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And Burns Hargis, president of OSU, is part of that problem? And so you strongly support more funding cuts for OSU as long as it teaches leftist philosophy?
Why don’t you point out exactly where I said any such thing? The original title involves what’s wrong with higher ed from a conservative perspective. I posted a quote that I believes sums it up quite well. There is no mention of cutting funding anywhere in what I posted.

If your comments are an example of your reading comprehension, and if you went to school in Oklahoma, then no matter how bad our state funding is, we aren’t getting our money’s worth.
 

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Why don’t you point out exactly where I said any such thing? The original title involves what’s wrong with higher ed from a conservative perspective. I posted a quote that I believes sums it up quite well. There is no mention of cutting funding anywhere in what I posted.

If your comments are an example of your reading comprehension, and if you went to school in Oklahoma, then no matter how bad our state funding is, we aren’t getting our money’s worth.
Of course, it's very true you did not bring up funding. That's why I had to ask. So to listen to you, the more school funding is cut the closer we get our money's worth? At least you and other conservatives on here, such as bleedinorange, might quite strongly agree that cutting school funding is one way to retaliate against higher education and on down for refusing to positively teach conservative values and go anti on Marxist or leftest philosophy.
 

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Of course, it's very true you did not bring up funding. That's why I had to ask. So to listen to you, the more school funding is cut the closer we get our money's worth? At least you and other conservatives on here, such as bleedinorange, might quite strongly agree that cutting school funding is one way to retaliate against higher education and on down for refusing to positively teach conservative values and go anti on Marxist or leftest philosophy.

Again, your reading comprehension is shown to be lacking.
 

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"In July, a Pew Research Center study found that 58 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents believe colleges and universities have a negative effect “on the way things are going in the country"

I am a university full professor with tenure and have been in academia since 1992. I have two advanced degrees including a doctorate, and am about to start work on a masters in bioethics. I clearly believe in the value of higher education. Yet, I wholeheartedly agree with the statement that colleges and universities have a negative effect "on the way things are going in the country." "Republicans believe education is bad for America" is a strawman. Leftist indoctrination is bad for America.

Also, we need skilled craftsmen and laborers. This means vocational-technical education. Not everyone is needs to go to college, and given what leftists have done to the price of college it is increasingly difficult to justify. Again, this had nothing to do with believing education is bad. In fact, it is in support of vocational-technical education.
 

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"In July, a Pew Research Center study found that 58 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents believe colleges and universities have a negative effect “on the way things are going in the country"

I am a university full professor with tenure and have been in academia since 1992. I have two advanced degrees including a doctorate, and am about to start work on a masters in bioethics. I clearly believe in the value of higher education. Yet, I wholeheartedly agree with the statement that colleges and universities have a negative effect "on the way things are going in the country." "Republicans believe education is bad for America" is a strawman. Leftist indoctrination is bad for America.

Also, we need skilled craftsmen and laborers. This means vocational-technical education. Not everyone is needs to go to college, and given what leftists have done to the price of college it is increasingly difficult to justify. Again, this had nothing to do with believing education is bad. In fact, it is in support of vocational-technical education.
There are obvious solutions. Students to go to many Christian conservatives schools, such as Liberty University and Oral Roberts University. There is Christian home schooling. Also Republican legislators can try harder to throw money at private schools.

Yes, we need vocational-technical education called Career Tech in Oklahoma. But it would help matters if Republicans didn't cut it.
 
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"In July, a Pew Research Center study found that 58 percent of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents believe colleges and universities have a negative effect “on the way things are going in the country"

I am a university full professor with tenure and have been in academia since 1992. I have two advanced degrees including a doctorate, and am about to start work on a masters in bioethics. I clearly believe in the value of higher education. Yet, I wholeheartedly agree with the statement that colleges and universities have a negative effect "on the way things are going in the country." "Republicans believe education is bad for America" is a strawman. Leftist indoctrination is bad for America.

Also, we need skilled craftsmen and laborers. This means vocational-technical education. Not everyone is needs to go to college, and given what leftists have done to the price of college it is increasingly difficult to justify. Again, this had nothing to do with believing education is bad. In fact, it is in support of vocational-technical education.

I have been a tenured full professor since 1990. I also have two advanced degrees including a Ph.D. I have been either a Department Chair or higher level administrator for 20 years. I agree totally with what Rx said.

During the 2012 presidential campaign, I found myself not only chairing the usual department, but also Poli Sci and Sociology as their chair was removed prior to the beginning of the fall semester. What were the Poli Sci faculty doing in class during that time? Spending their entire class time campaigning for BHO. I had lines of students at my door complaining about these classes. How in the world is throwing more money at that going to fix it?

Of course, the Marxist/Socialist/Pot head thinks throwing more money at any issue fixes it.
 

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I have been a tenured full professor since 1990. I also have two advanced degrees including a Ph.D. I have been either a Department Chair or higher level administrator for 20 years. I agree totally with what Rx said.

During the 2012 presidential campaign, I found myself not only chairing the usual department, but also Poli Sci and Sociology as their chair was removed prior to the beginning of the fall semester. What were the Poli Sci faculty doing in class during that time? Spending their entire class time campaigning for BHO. I had lines of students at my door complaining about these classes. How in the world is throwing more money at that going to fix it?

Of course, the Marxist/Socialist/Pot head thinks throwing more money at any issue fixes it.
This is terrifying.
 

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Of course, the Marxist/Socialist/Pot head thinks throwing more money at any issue fixes it.
GASP, you actually really and truly oppose Republican legislators passing a bill to throw money at private schools in the name of school choice? However, providing tax credits for parents, who send their children to private schools, may be a more acceptable way to do it for you.

By the way, many Republican polliticians would strongly disagree with you that throwing tax money at a problem never fixed it. How do you think Oklahoma City fixed its lack of a pro basketball team?
 
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Education is not bad.
Biased, one sided "education" that is being taught in most schools today is bad.

Just a blanket Republicans believe education is bad statement is like a liberal disagreeing with a scientist or science teacher/professor who argues against climate change and us saying "what!?!?! liberals are anti-science now!?!?!?!
 

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For years I've said that blindly throwing money at something doesn't fix it and blindly cutting funding for something doesn't fix it either. When we increase education spending without targeting where it will go, most of it will go to admin. When we cut education spending without targeting where the cuts will come from, none of them will cut from admin.
 

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I have been a tenured full professor since 1990. I also have two advanced degrees including a Ph.D. I have been either a Department Chair or higher level administrator for 20 years. I agree totally with what Rx said.

During the 2012 presidential campaign, I found myself not only chairing the usual department, but also Poli Sci and Sociology as their chair was removed prior to the beginning of the fall semester. What were the Poli Sci faculty doing in class during that time? Spending their entire class time campaigning for BHO. I had lines of students at my door complaining about these classes. How in the world is throwing more money at that going to fix it?

Of course, the Marxist/Socialist/Pot head thinks throwing more money at any issue fixes it.
We should add to this, most of us on this message board have some connection with an institution of higher learning, Oklahoma State University, and that's why we're here in the first place.

Uh, say, @StillwaterTownie , what was your major at OSU?
 

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We should add to this, most of us on this message board have some connection with an institution of higher learning, Oklahoma State University, and that's why we're here in the first place.

Uh, say, @StillwaterTownie , what was your major at OSU?
I know Townie didn’t major in Economics. He has made that painfully obvious. And to this day he refuses to educate himself on the subject. Of course, Marxists/Socialist/Pot heads never want to be bothered with anything that contradicts their beliefs.