over throwing the constitutional electoral college

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John C

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Nevertheless, my statement is TRUE. If you're a Republican, you should love the truth.
Your statement isn’t even remotely true. James G. Blaine, Benjamin Harrison, William Howard Taft, Charles Evans Hughs, Herbert Hoover, Alfred Landon, Wendell Wilkie, Thomas Dewey, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, Gerald Ford, George H. W. Bush, Robert Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney all say “Hi”.
 

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100 people in a room - 51 want murder & rape legalized - that's democracy and that's why it's not what our founding fathers put in place, iow...the tyranny of one
A better example to help your point is needed. Nobody in a civilized society would vote like that if they value their owns lives and well being. Since we live in a civilized society, most government decisions, other than school bond approval elections, are determined by at least a 50% + 1 majority.
 

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Your statement isn’t even remotely true. James G. Blaine, Benjamin Harrison, William Howard Taft, Charles Evans Hughs, Herbert Hoover, Alfred Landon, Wendell Wilkie, Thomas Dewey, Richard Nixon, Barry Goldwater, Gerald Ford, George H. W. Bush, Robert Dole, John McCain, and Mitt Romney all say “Hi”.
You didn't get the point. No Republican presidential candidate in history has ever failed to win the popular vote after winning the Electoral College. Also several Republican candidates have won after the popular vote didn't agree with Electoral. So if you're a Republican, why should you be foolish enough to support doing away with the Electoral College as long as it works for you?
 
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John C

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You didn't get the point. No Republican presidential candidate in history has ever failed to win the popular vote after winning the Electoral College. Also several Republican candidates have won after the popular vote didn't agree with Electoral. So if you're a Republican, why should you be foolish enough to support doing away with the Electoral College as long as it works for you?
Now you are changing what you said. Your original claim was that “Republicans have never lost the Electoral College when the poplar (SIC) vote failed them.” That’s quite different from your new revisionist claim.
I gave you lots of examples of when the “popular” vote failed Republicans and they also lost the EC. You simply cannot admit when you have been proven wrong.
 
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A better example to help your point is needed. Nobody in a civilized society would vote like that if they value their owns lives and well being. Since we live in a civilized society, most government decisions, other than school bond approval elections, are determined by at least a 50% + 1 majority.
Isn't that exactly what the Germans did when the voted Hitler into power? Surely you don't believe that people always vote with intelligence and common sense . . . at least you claim they didn't when they voted for Trump and George W. You are contradicting yourself.
 

StillwaterTownie

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Speaking of Socialism, no wonder conservatives don't believe or hope there is any such thing as credible polls. This is because polling has found that 3/5 of Americans support the following:
  • A federally funded healthcare system that provides everyone with insurance
  • Unions should have the same or more influence than they have now.
  • Limits on campaign spending
  • Support for renewable energy and climate change
  • Reproductive rights for women
  • LGBTQ rights
  • Higher minimum wage
  • Legalized marijuana
  • Free childcare
  • A path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants
 

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Speaking of Socialism, no wonder conservatives don't believe or hope there is any such thing as credible polls. This is because polling has found that 3/5 of Americans support the following:
  • A federally funded healthcare system that provides everyone with insurance
  • Unions should have the same or more influence than they have now.
  • Limits on campaign spending
  • Support for renewable energy and climate change
  • Reproductive rights for women
  • LGBTQ rights
  • Higher minimum wage
  • Legalized marijuana
  • Free childcare
  • A path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants
Horsesh*t... 3/5ths of what Americans? All Americans... or just the ones in some asinine poll from probably California that’s supposed to “represent” all Americans?
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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Good Lord. We already been through why the 17th Amendment had to be created. It was too often state legislatures would deadlock on who to pick as senator. Sometimes the decision was reached from the result of corruption. What do you call it when a state can't send a senator to DC? You call it a loss of power.
the prior problems with SOME States selecting Senators was less of a problem than their "solution" is. It's called the law of unintended consequences.

State selection of Senators can easily be fixed by allowing the Governor to appoint a Senator until such time as the State Legislatures can agree. Simple problem, simple solution.
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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Once again, you show you absolutely don't mind mob rule by county after Trump won nearly all of them.

Considering how full of deep hate the comments were against President Trump on here, I'm not about to be so wrong and foolish as to believe people would NOT be highly bitter when the popular vote goes against them for the first time and support Electoral College be abolilshed or some other change that gives popular vote more credit.

I believe in freedom and liberty, too, but the winner of the Electoral College doesn't guarantee he will not through executive orders take some forms of freedom and liberty away.

If the Electoral College is so supreme in picking presidents, I know of no other country that has adopted it.
Townie - please pay attention - I am advocating AGAINST mob rule. Trump won the favor of more States.

Other countries are not Republics. (only a few are, and they're mostly communist or socialist).

You do not understand Federalism. You do not understand what it means to be a REPUBLIC - a union of Sovereign States.

Popular national vote is not federalism, it is nationalism (i.e., mob rule).

you don't even seem to be able to comprehend what constitutes mob rule.

You are advocating against self government, and freedom from the central government.

Your statements are by their nature, anti-self government and anti-freedom.

Why, in your words, is a nationalist central government better than a federated republic?
 
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NYC has a larger population than 38 states. LA has a larger population than 23 states. I don't think it's healthy for individual cities to have more influence in our presidential election than half of the states in our country. IMO, the electoral college is a good thing because of this.

It would be really interesting to see how the process of campaigning would change if the presidential election was opened up to popular vote. Both sides have states they completely ignore because they know they can't win them.I know a lot of people that never vote because they know our state will vote for the republican candidate. A lot of things would change if we did away with the electoral college.
 

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WRONG. It's really liberals who want to silence the greedy corporate class.
If that's true then why do liberals continue voting for Democrats? I'm not suggesting that they vote for Republicans either, they're just as much crony capitalists as the Dems are, but there are third parties out there who are much more interested in breaking the bond between big government and big business than the Dems are. Your actions speak louder than your words.