Our position in the National Polls this year!

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As the season progresses.......

  • We will not crack the Top 25 at any point this season

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Rack

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#43
I don't disagree we should be ranked, but didn't think we would be. Just too many teams to leapfrog early, too many had to lose.

I think a close loss morale victory wont get us ranked vs UT. We win and we are ranked, but 20 or lower unless we blow them out.
Well, I think the time of moral victorys in Austin ended nearly a decade ago...This is a team we have owned for several years...no moral victories against UT...gotta win these games...especially to start conference play. Go Pokes! Beat the Horns!
 
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#46
Well, I think the time of moral victorys in Austin ended nearly a decade ago...This is a team we have owned for several years...no moral victories against UT...gotta win these games...especially to start conference play. Go Pokes! Beat the Horns!
Oh I agree completely - we go to Austin looking for a W. Just making the point that with the current media attitude toward OSU apparently being "show me", we gotta win to get ranked. With the loss to LSU, UT is slightly damaged goods that has work to do, so it will not be enough for us to just stay close.

A close win is worth a LOT more than a close loss.
 
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#47
The ranking that I tend to look at are Bill Connely's S&P+ rankings, because they are based on how you have actually performed, adjusted for level of competition, not pre-conceived notions based on nothing and inertia of polls.

After week 3, here is where all of the Big 12 teams stand:

6. Oklahoma
20. Oklahoma State
25. TCU
28. Texas
29. Baylor
35. Iowa State
44. Texas Tech
49. Kansas State
56. West Virginia
101. Kansas
 

Rack

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#48
The ranking that I tend to look at are Bill Connely's S&P+ rankings, because they are based on how you have actually performed, adjusted for level of competition, not pre-conceived notions based on nothing and inertia of polls.

After week 3, here is where all of the Big 12 teams stand:

6. Oklahoma
20. Oklahoma State
25. TCU
28. Texas
29. Baylor
35. Iowa State
44. Texas Tech
49. Kansas State
56. West Virginia
101. Kansas
If truly unbiased as you state...I like it. Go Pokes!!
 
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#49
Similarly to @oSuJeff1997, I always check the Sagarin rankings. Here's how the B12 stacks up there:

7. OU
12. Texas
14. Oklahoma State
21. Kansas State
22. TCU
33. Baylor
46. Texas Tech
47. Texas Tech
51. Iowa State
95. Kansas

I think he has two Pac-12 teams in his Top 25, rather than the absurd six that are in it in the AP poll.
 

Rack

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#50
Similarly to @oSuJeff1997, I always check the Sagarin rankings. Here's how the B12 stacks up there:

7. OU
12. Texas
14. Oklahoma State
21. Kansas State
22. TCU
33. Baylor
46. Texas Tech
47. Texas Tech
51. Iowa State
95. Kansas

I think he has two Pac-12 teams in his Top 25, rather than the absurd six that are in it in the AP poll.
I actually think this is more accurate than SP+ as I think the Big 12 is underrated across the board in all polls at this point considering our head to head wins out of conference this year already. Of course I think Texas is too high...but I still don't have a real clue about us...Will know after next two games.
 
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I actually think this is more accurate than SP+ as I think the Big 12 is underrated across the board in all polls at this point considering our head to head wins out of conference this year already. Of course I think Texas is too high...but I still don't have a real clue about us...Will know after next two games.
I think the big difference between Sagarin and S&P+ is that Sagarin is more point differential based, and doesn't take garbage time stuff into account, where as the S&P plus is "play based," rewarding you for efficiency, and it eliminates everything that happens in garbage time.

Individually, they both of their flaws, but if you kind of look at them together, you get a MUCH better picture of which teams are high quality, versus the human polls... especially early in the season when there is residual effect of the pre-season polls, which are largely just guesses and strongly favor "name brand" teams.
 

wrenhal

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I really like the Marble Game. I think it's a good measure.
http://thenemindex.blogspot.com/2019/09/iowahawkblogs-marble-game-through-week-3.html

For those that don't recall or are new here, the rules of the Marble Game are:
- Each power-5 team started the season with 200 marbles, each non-power-5 started with 100.
- For each home win you take 20% of your opponents marbles. For each road win you take 25%.
- Neutral site games are treated like home games (worth 20%) for each team
- Notre Dame and BYU were given the privilege of starting with 200 marbles
- Fractional marbles get rounded to whole marbles at the time when they are moved from one team to the other.
- FCS schools start with 0 marbles but are able to earn marbles by beating teams with marbles.

Rank Team W-L Marbles Change (Rank,Marbles)
10
Kansas St. 3-0 280 +19, +60
11 Oklahoma St. 3-0 276 +2, +26
18
Oklahoma 3-0 250 +14, +30
19 TCU 2-0 248 +20, +48
26
Baylor 2-0 220 +2, 0
29 Kansas 2-1 210 +34, +60
31 W. Virginia 2-1 204 +29, +44
45 Texas 2-1 177 +9, +12
50 Texas Tech 2-1 176 -16, -44
62 Iowa State 1-1 150 -26, -50