OSU, Tulsa agree to eight-year, home-and-home football series

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CTeamPoke

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that's not true. OSU goes undefeated and wins the big 12, then they will be in the playoff 98% of the time. We would have been in in 2011 if not for ISU loss
I'd say 100% of the time we'll be in the playoff. If there's some crazy year where there's 5 undefeated teams and we get left out for playing Tulsa... well... then I guess we will all come on here and eat @OSUinTX's butthole or something.
 
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Torn if I like this or not. If other games are quality P5 opponents....great. if other games are more G6 teams or the likes of Savannah State, this is horrible.
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2011 begs to differ. Tulsa and Louisiana wins did nothing to impress the voters and they were just looking for an excuse (ISU) to validate an all-SEC title game, even after thumping OU. Other B12 teams have been stung. Yes, win conference with no more than 1 loss is first step. After that OOC strength most certainly comes into play and the B12, in particular those not located in Norman and Austin, will always need wins on a quality schedule to be considered before SEC and B10 schools.
yeah.... like I said... once in our entire lifetimes... AND we have to win the conference first. If we win our conference then the rest will take care of itself (regardless of who we beat OOC).

Also, in 2011, we still had the BCS not the playoff, and the polling was rigged (which is documented with admissions from at least one 80-year old voter).

Face it - it don't matter who we play, as long as we win, and win the conference. The other yahoo's that we might be up against for playoff selection have the same issue that we have.
 

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So, since we are not going to win the conference (your implication) might as well schedule dogs? That is how your comment comes across.
sure.... why not.

But that doesn't matter, the B12 already said that all league teams must improve their OOC scheduling, and the NCAA is moving toward not allowing games against FCS teams. (which is actually the big issue).

That's one of the reasons for the Tulsa long term one-n-one, because it's about to get a whole lot harder to schedule games with the FCS teams are not allowed.
 
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https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/tulsa/
Tulsa has future games scheduled at Michigan State, Ohio State, Washington, & Ole Miss with no return games listed. We're the only power 5 team on their future schedule that gave them a home & home series.

Home & home series with lesser opponents will always be on the table. Why not go out and secure 2 for 1 series until that isn't an option any longer?
 

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https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/tulsa/
Tulsa has future games scheduled at Michigan State, Ohio State, Washington, & Ole Miss with no return games listed. We're the only power 5 team on their future schedule that gave them a home & home series.

Home & home series with lesser opponents will always be on the table. Why not go out and secure 2 for 1 series until that isn't an option any longer?
Tulsa is in severe financial difficulty and sold themselves to those teams for a big payday. Their coaches agreed to pay cuts. The Tulsa deal gives us good game with almost no cost, and provides essentially another "attendance" game for most OSU fans.

There is really no down side. None. If we can't beat the likes of Tulsa, then there is no reason to discussing playing a tougher P5 team, on top of the one we already have scheduled most seasons.
 
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That is where we will have to disagree. Unless you are a blue blood, committee will always favor ....
You can stop right there. Unless you're a blue blood, you MUST go undefeated. NO losses. None. So schedule hard games if you want, but you're just decreasing your chances of making the playoff.

Until college football expands its playoff, OSU and the other P5 non-blue bloods must go undefeated.

If you're not in the power 5, then you're automatically disqualified in perpetuity, as UCF proved last year.
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Tulsa is in severe financial difficulty and sold themselves to those teams for a big payday. Their coaches agreed to pay cuts. The Tulsa deal gives us good game with almost no cost, and provides essentially another "attendance" game for most OSU fans.

There is really no down side. None. If we can't beat the likes of Tulsa, then there is no reason to discussing playing a tougher P5 team, on top of the one we already have scheduled most seasons.
I like playing Tulsa. They're a decent mid level program that we should be able to consistently beat. I just don't understand why we would give them a home & home series when no other power 5 teams will. The series ought to be 2 for 1.

We can't host recruits at away games, and we lose individual ticket sales for every game we choose to play outside of BPS. If we were going to agree to a home & home with a lesser program, it should've been with someone like Houston, Rice, or SMU. At least that would've given us better exposure to the fertile recruiting grounds of Dallas & Houston.
 
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Football games are for the fans, not the coaches. Coaches are payed big money to sweat theirassesd off and coach, not sit back and score layups against overmatched teams with inferior athletes:
WVU 2019 NC State, @ Mizzou, james madison
2020: FSU, Maryland, e. ky
2021 Maryland, VT, Indidna
2022 VT, Pitt, towson state
2023 Penn State Duke Pitt
2024 Pitt, penn state albany
2025 Alabama, Pitt
2026 @ Bama, East carolina
 
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It's all about the Benjamines . . . .

Tulsa would rather go for a big payday with Ohio State, Mich State, etc than do a 1:2 with OSU and OSU isn't financially strong enough to offer the big payday route.

So this is a friendly arrangement where OSU locks in a G5 every year w/o having to pay out big (and convienient for fans in the off-years) and uT gets a big game at home every other year.
 
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https://fbschedules.com/big-12-football-schedule/

Future Big 12 football games against power 5 opponents:
Oklahoma: Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Nebraska, LSU, Tennessee, UCLA
Texas: Arizona State, Florida, Georgia, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Arkansas, LSU
West Virgina: Pitt, Alabama, Penn State, Virginia Tech, Maryland, Florida State, Missouri, NC State
Kansas State: Rutgers, Washington State, Colorado, Arizona, Missouri, Stanford, Vanderbilt, Mississippi State
TCU: Purdue, Duke, Stanford, North Carolina, Colorado, California
Texas Tech: Mississippi State, NC State, Oregon State, Oregon, Arizona
Kansas: Washington State, Illinois, Duke, Boston College
Iowa State: Iowa (They're obligated by state law to play Iowa every year)
Baylor: Oregon, Auburn, Utah, Ole Miss
Oklahoma State: Oregon, Oregon State, Arkansas, Arizona State

It seems like we've fallen behind just about everyone in the Big 12 in non-conference scheduling.
 
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All of these power 5 schools want to sell season tickets. Loyal fans buy said tickets to be entertained as well as to support the team.

The very least an AD can do is have a compelling ooc schedule for the fans.
no one cares what the coach wants-they all want easy wins, but they're paid to coach the team up regardless of whether its tulsa or bama.
 

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Football games are for the fans, not the coaches. Coaches are payed big money to sweat theirassesd off and coach, not sit back and score layups against overmatched teams with inferior athletes:
WVU 2019 NC State, @ Mizzou, james madison
2020: FSU, Maryland, e. ky
2021 Maryland, VT, Indidna
2022 VT, Pitt, towson state
2023 Penn State Duke Pitt
2024 Pitt, penn state albany
2025 Alabama, Pitt
2026 @ Bama, East carolina
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Football games are for the fans, not the coaches. Coaches are payed big money to sweat theirassesd off and coach, not sit back and score layups against overmatched teams with inferior athletes:
WVU 2019 NC State, @ Mizzou, james madison
2020: FSU, Maryland, e. ky
2021 Maryland, VT, Indidna
2022 VT, Pitt, towson state
2023 Penn State Duke Pitt
2024 Pitt, penn state albany
2025 Alabama, Pitt
2026 @ Bama, East carolina
Assume you are posting this because you think it's "what we should be doing". WVU's most common opponent is Pitt - in state, maybe better than Tulsa but not by much if at all. When was it - just a year or so ago Tulsa was winning 10 or more games a season including winning a bowl game. I can't remember the last time Pitt has one more than 7 games. WVU is playing one good opponent, a "medium" opponent, and a directional school and so are we. Seems to me we tend to under-value our own opponents. In fact we could have a stronger non-con schedule depending on who we get for the third opponent in 2024-2026.

2020 Oregon St, Tulsa W Ill
2021 Rice, Tulsa, Boise St
2022 Cent Mich, Arizona St, Missouri St
2023 Arizona St, S Alabama
2024 Arkansas, Tulsa
2025 Oregon, Tulsa
2026 Tulsa, Oreg

By the way, WVU has Penn State on their schedule. Go look at the other PSU non con opponents: worse than ours.
 
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It's really about perception. Pitt isnt good, but they did win their division of the ACC last year, and came within a whisker of beating Notre Dame. Pitt also won a national title and played for another. So they have some history--that shouldnt matter but it does.

Pitt is also WVU's main rival, or was before Pitt went to the ACC and WVU to the big 12. WVU played Pitt every year for over a 100 years. WVU played PSU, terps, and VT every year for decades. WVU has a history with those schools. FSU and Bama are elite schools, and WVU has a home and home with bama. You win big 12 and beat bama, you are in the playoffs.

I mean truth be said, James madison is a very good team. They beat VT twice in blacksburg, one year when VT won the ACC. But no one cares a hoot about james madison. wont get tv ratings or any respect for beating them.
 

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James Madison is FCS. Tulsa is not.

And no shit if you beat Bama and win the Big 12 you're in the playoffs... Neither of those things will happen for WVU.
 

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You can stop right there. Unless you're a blue blood, you MUST go undefeated. NO losses. None. So schedule hard games if you want, but you're just decreasing your chances of making the playoff.

Until college football expands its playoff, OSU and the other P5 non-blue bloods must go undefeated.

If you're not in the power 5, then you're automatically disqualified in perpetuity, as UCF proved last year.
Welcome to ESPN's college playoff invitational.
UCF is in a crap conference. OSU can lose 1 game and get in playoff. We finished 3rd in 2011
 
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It really comes down to fan excitement. WVU fans will sell out to see Pitt bc of the rivalry. If Oklahoma State fans are excited about seeing Tulsa in a similar vein as the Backyard Brawl, then i can see an 8 year series with Tulsa.

OU, I guess, is Oklahoma State's main rival despite the lopsidedness of the series? Who is your secondary rival? Tulsa? kstate?
 

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It really comes down to fan excitement. WVU fans will sell out to see Pitt bc of the rivalry. If Oklahoma State fans are excited about seeing Tulsa in a similar vein as the Backyard Brawl, then i can see an 8 year series with Tulsa.

OU, I guess, is Oklahoma State's main rival despite the lopsidedness of the series? Who is your secondary rival? Tulsa? kstate?
Please go start another thread about your school and stop trying to weigh in on ours. You have no idea what you're talking about.