OSU and the Big 12 vs Power 5 Conferences Data

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LOTS of discussion about OSU football, Gundy's legacy, "expectations", OU's "dominance" of the Big 12 conference, comparisons to other teams and conferences. Here are is some data about conference championships from P5 football conferences over the last 10 years:

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- One thing jumps out: every conference tends to have a dominant team and a very few other contenders. OU is only slightly better than the average of the other dominant conference teams for both number of championships and streak of championships. It's not just the Big 12. The PAC 12 appears the most competitive across the board within their conference.

- Nearly three fourths (72%) of P5 conference teams did not win a single championship in the ten year span.

- Five Big 12 teams have won at least a share of a championship, which is actually one better than the average of 4 across all the P5 conferences.

- On average only 28% of P5 schools (19 of them) have one even one shared or outright championship in ten years. OSU is with the "haves", albeit just barely with a win in 2011.

- Had I expanded to first and second place finishs OSU would look even better because we have been consistently in the top 3. Had we won the second title we would be among only 10 teams, or the top 15%, of all the P5 conference teams to have one more than one Championship in the last ten years; it is very, very difficult to reload and knock off the dominant team to win multiple conference championships in a ten year period, and that is true in every P5 conference.

- Think about the big-name programs that do not appear once in the table above: Texas, Texas A&M, Florida, Tennessee, UCLA, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Miami, or the teams like us which have only one championship: Penn State, Auburn, USC, and Nebraska. We are there with some pretty high powered names.

- Keep in mind that is generally conference champions that get in to the 4 - team playoff.
 

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One thing jumps out: every conference tends to have a dominant team and a very few other contenders. OU is only slightly better than the average of the other dominant conference teams for both number of championships and streak of championships.
I've been saying this for years; it isn't Gundy that has an OU problem, it is the Big 12 that has an OU problem.
 

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On Average in Gundy era we’ve finished 3rd. Third in a pretty week conference.
after all the info in that graph, you still don't get it do you? "on average we finish 3rd", blah, blah, blah! EVERY conference is that way. the only exception (slightly) is the PAC12. there are one or two (at most!) dominant teams in each conference, period, over the last 10 years (and likely much longer than that if you looked back further).
 

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The highest percentage of conference championships by a single program:

Big 12 OU 70%
Big 10 tOSU 50%
SEC Alabama 35%
ACC Clemson 35% and Florida State 35%
Pac 12 Oregon 40% and USC 40%
AAC UCF 57.1%
Sunbelt Troy 31.6% and Arkansas State 31.6%
Conf-USA North Texas 20%
Big East West Virginia 50%
MAC Miami OH 15%, Toledo 15%, Central Michigan 15%
Mountain West Boise State 20%
WAC La Tech 18.2%, Nevada 18.2%, Hawaii 18.2%

Percentage of teams that have at least 1 conference champs vs teams with 0:
Big 12 >0 50%, 0 50%
Big 10 >0 50%, 0 50%
SEC >0 35.7%, 0 64.3%
ACC >0 35.7%, 0 64.3%
Pac 12 >0 66.7%, 0 33.3%
AAC >0 45.5%, 0 54.5%
Sunbelt >0 75%, 0 25%
Conf-USA >0 23.5%, 0 76.5%
Big East >0 72.7%, 0 27.3%
MAC >0 64.3%, 0 35.7%
Mountain West >0 50%, 0 50%
WAC >0 50%, 0 50%
 

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Number of conference championships won by P5 teams AFTER changing conferences:
Missouri 0
Colorado 0
Texas A&M 0
Nebraska 0
Maryland 0
Rutgers 0
Louisville 0
Boston College 0
Miami 0
Pitt 0
Utah 0
TCU 1
West Virginia 0
 

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So basically we are in the same boat as Colorado, Kansas State, Georgia Tech, and Wake Forest. One good run in the decade.
I would say that OSU and Kansas State are in worse shape because of the domination of the conference by a single team.

I'm trying to come up with a measure of "egalitarianism", that is, how much is the conference championship shared by other members of the conference. The simple 50% of conference teams have won a Big 12 championship doesn't really tell the story with OU winning 70% of the CCs.
 

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Number of conference championships multiplied by the percentage won by the team with the highest number of CCs. Thus, the larger the number the less egalitarian the conference:

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TCU having won/shared a CC after changing conferences is pretty remarkable.
 
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I would say that OSU and Kansas State are in worse shape because of the domination of the conference by a single team.

I'm trying to come up with a measure of "egalitarianism", that is, how much is the conference championship shared by other members of the conference. The simple 50% of conference teams have won a Big 12 championship doesn't really tell the story with OU winning 70% of the CCs.
Some excellent data to review but also a bit sobering. Thank you Rx.
 

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One more stat line: 2-14

The school in Norman is great; we’ve been good. We can do better than 2-14.

Mike Gundy is a very, very good coach and his stability has been appreciated emotionally and financially.

There are a few, but not many coaches that can improve on 2-14. Yes, it is risky replacing a proven coach and any replacement better be a home run hire.

Maintaining the current situation is accepting that we are not interested in doing better than 2-14, winning conference championships, making the playoffs or winning a national championship.

These are all true statements.

Yes or yes?
 
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One more stat line: 2-14

The school in Norman is great; we’ve been good. We can do better than 2-14.

Mike Gundy is a very, very good coach and his stability has been appreciated emotionally and financially.

There are a few, but not many coaches that can improve on 2-14. Yes, it is risky replacing a proven coach and any replacement better be a home run hire.

Maintaining the current situation is accepting that we are not interested in doing better than 2-14, winning conference championships, making the playoffs or winning a national championship.

These are all true statements.

Yes or yes?
IMO, 2-14 is completely irrelevant. Beating OU is never a goal. It has never appeared on any list of goals put forth by the program. Competing and/or winning the conference championship is the goal. Beating OU but not competing for the championship does not mean success (see 2014). Losing to OU but competing for or winning the conference does equal success.

Too many fans are obsessed with OU while somewhat ignoring what is true success.


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IMO, 2-14 is completely irrelevant. Beating OU is never a goal. It has never appeared on any list of goals put forth by the program. Competing and/or winning the conference championship is the goal. Beating OU but not competing for the championship does not mean success (see 2014). Losing to OU but competing for or winning the conference does equal success.

Too many fans are obsessed with OU while somewhat ignoring what is true success.


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Beating the team that is typically the gatekeeper of the Big 12 championship is important.

The last 16 years, The school in Norman has won the majority of Big 12 championships, If we would have won those games most years; it would have been our championship instead.

Yes or yes?
 
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IMO, 2-14 is completely irrelevant. Beating OU is never a goal. It has never appeared on any list of goals put forth by the program. Competing and/or winning the conference championship is the goal. Beating OU but not competing for the championship does not mean success (see 2014). Losing to OU but competing for or winning the conference does equal success.

Too many fans are obsessed with OU while somewhat ignoring what is true success.


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Beating the team that is typically the gatekeeper of the Big 12 championship is important.

The last 16 years, The school in Norman has won the majority of Big 12 championships, If we would have won those games most years; it would have been our championship instead.

Yes or yes?
Yes, but not losing to UT and TCU this year was just as important.

Focusing on just 1 of 9 steps to achieve your goal is unwise and unhealthy.


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Beating the team that is typically the gatekeeper of the Big 12 championship is important.

The last 16 years, The school in Norman has won the majority of Big 12 championships, If we would have won those games most years; it would have been our championship instead.

Yes or yes?
No.

2020. Possible - have to beat ISU in CCG
2019. No, not in CCG.
2018. No, not in CCG.
2017. No (3 way tie breaker loss for CCG).
2016. Yes
2015. Yes
2014. No
2013. Yes
2012. No
2011. Yes
2010. Possible, have to beat Nebraska
2009. No
2008. No
2007. No
2006. No
2005. No

Yes = 3
Possible = 2
No = 10

In 10 of the 16 seasons a bedlam victory would not have impacted our ability to win a conference championship.

So to answer your question, no.
 
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