Oklahoma teachers planning to strike

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Has anyone looked at freeing school districts from state control? I think that is how it works in Texas. It has already been pointed out on this thread that Stillwater voters have approved bond issues to improve education facilities. I suspect that they would approve a property tax to fund school operations and teacher salaries. Oklahoma seems to operate on a socialistic model of keeping all schools on a an even and inadequate playing field. Keep the minimum wage schedule, but allow districts to raise funds and improve themselves.
 

oks10

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Why settle for mediocre and sometimes less? Have you ever drove on that stretch of highway from the corner of Highway 51 and 18 east to Yale? And how many road and bridge projects in Oklahoma have been held up, due to cut in funds? I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people would disagree with you.
You don't like to actually answer questions, do you.
 

oks10

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So, Putnam City just held their board meeting. They're 100% behind their teachers... For 1 day... April 2. That's all they've committed to at this point.
 
Nov 8, 2007
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Has anyone looked at freeing school districts from state control? I think that is how it works in Texas. It has already been pointed out on this thread that Stillwater voters have approved bond issues to improve education facilities. I suspect that they would approve a property tax to fund school operations and teacher salaries. Oklahoma seems to operate on a socialistic model of keeping all schools on a an even and inadequate playing field. Keep the minimum wage schedule, but allow districts to raise funds and improve themselves.
This was actually the legislature's response to the threat of a walkout. They are introducing/have introduced a bill that would allow individual school districts to vote on property tax etc going towards teacher pay.
 

StillwaterTownie

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You don't like to actually answer questions, do you.
I already did. Unlike with you, I don't believe it makes any sense to raise gas taxes and then direct them to education. If you drive on the streets and highways, the taxes from gas should be applied to maintain them. What's your comeback to that? That you don't send your kids to school, so why should you pay any taxes to maintain the schools? If that is true, then why the hell should any of your gas taxes go toward the schools?
 
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Why settle for mediocre and sometimes less? Have you ever driven on that stretch of highway from the corner of Highway 51 and 18 east to Yale? And how many road and bridge projects in Oklahoma have been held up, due to cut in funds? I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people would disagree with you.
http://www.odot.org/cwp-8-year-plan/cwp_ffy2017-ffy2024/8_year_cwp_division4_map.pdf
I drive this stretch of highway from time to time. Over the past year the state has been replacing a bridge along this stretch. Check out this link. It looks like ODOT plans to spend nearly $16 million replacing this stretch of highway in a couple years.
 

oks10

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I already did. Unlike with you, I don't believe it makes any sense to raise gas taxes and then direct them to education. If you drive on the streets and highways, the taxes from gas should be applied to maintain them. What's your comeback to that? That you don't send your kids to school, so why should you pay any taxes to maintain the schools? If that is true, then why the hell should any of your gas taxes go toward the schools?
No, NOW you've answered my question. Your previous reply was just a question to retort my question. I don't have a comeback and that wasn't why I was asking. Believe it or not, it's possible to ask someone a question just to see what their opinion is. You make a valid point in that you're paying to use the roads through a fuel tax. I personally would be fine with what someone else mentioned regarding locally voting for property tax increases to fund teacher salary increases for the district I live in. Approaching education funding with a "if you don't use it you shouldn't have to pay for it" approach would almost cripple ANY government funded program. There's a LOT of government funded services that I don't use but my tax dollars go towards anyways.
 

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The gasoline and diesel tax is interesting. That increase would put us right in line with what Texas charges, but still less than what Kansas charges. I think it would be a good move. I'm not sure it would pass though.
Why does it make more sense to you to direct a hike in gas and diesel tax to education than to the highway system? Have the roads become much improved in Oklahoma lately?
Before I say anything I want you to know I am not being condescending, but is this amazing. Am I seeing Townie actually have a debate and conversation about something without being condescending towards conservatives about it?

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oks10

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I agree that the OEA demands are quite a reach from what's actually possible but I personally don't support anything that still doesn't address education funding. If they're going to only figure out one thing at a time, IMO they need to figure out how to get funding back up and then worry about pay raises.
 

Binman4OSU

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So the Senate passed a bill last night to give a 12.7% raise to teachers, but the House voted down the required bill to fund it an hour later

It was $450 million in additional rev generated through a $1 added tax to cigarettes, increasing the fuel tax by 0.06/gallon, and raising the GPT to 4% for the first 3 years of production.

The cigarette tax would have funded teacher raises for the first year, and then gone toward Oklahoma Healthcare funding after that.
 

GodsPeace

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Until they address overall education funding and support staff raises, I don't think teachers/educators are going to be satisfied. This isn't strictly a money grab on teachers salaries. That $10K raise demanded by OEA honestly feels counter productive.

I do think the model put out by Bartlesville could be doable. Much of what they voted on last night was in that plan, just not all or enough of it.