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Why? You think just because it's "legal" means a company can't have a policy restricting it?? Alcohol is legal too, but if I show up to my job with it in my system and have to take an alcohol test for some reason, then I'm canned. Below legal limit or not...
I gather you strongly disagree with the Oklahoma policy that forbids employers from firing workers who use tobacco off the job. One might think Oklahoma must be a major tobacco growing state.
Or, you know, because you don't get high/inebriated from cigarettes...

Edit: To answer more precisely, no, I don't strongly disagree with it (despite your superhuman ability to mind read "conservative Christian Oklahomans"). Allowing a employer to fire an employee who uses tobacco off the job is no different, in my opinion, than allowing them to fire someone for eating cheeseburgers and drinking soda off the clock... You're not putting anyone else's life in harm by showing up to work full...

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Ok, but I know the system we had in place was abused by everyone and I mean everyone, if a kid (kid not adult) couldn't get one doctor to write it up they went to another until finally every kid knew there what doctors would and wouldn't and faiap, they were paying $150 to be able to smoke weed, then they had to find a source, there were / are several dispensaries in the area all operating illegally under federal law and subject to criminal prosecution, so again a legitimate business that was operating illegally.
I don't support medical marijuana simply because I don't think smoking it or ingesting the beneficial elements should be a crime. I do support legalized marijuana provided the citizens of the state want it but until the fed decriminalizes it all you are doing is making a federal criminal of millions of honest Americans not to mention adding to the list of charges of the corrupt politicians who are probably already criminals, for someone who already thinks our prisons are overcrowded that seems like a strange thing to support.
Sessions is still having frustration in getting state AGs and other law enforcement to go after marijuana in legal states. Who isn't helping is Trump, who said he would probably sign a bill that decriminalizes marijuana at the federal level and let states worry about handling it.
 

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There are some exceptions. People who use tobacco products off the job can NOT be fired for that reason. If tobacco smokers can have such a special right, then why not medical marijuana users? Employers who require workers to be totally marijuana free better lobby legislators, if SQ788 passes.

Oklahoma should beat Texas to legalizing rec pot to have hordes of customers from highly populated northern Texas. Native Americans might as well be helping to get signatures for the current petition to vote on legalizing pot as shown here: https://www.sos.ok.gov/documents/questions/797.pdf They have one of the world's biggest casinos near the state border. They could have one of the world's largest pot stores, if TX continues to refuse to legalize.

I intend to sign the rec petition, plus the other one to put legal medical marijuana in the state constitution, in case the legislature guts SQ788.
Again... we have already told our employees... because they've already been asking... our company drug policy remains EXACTLY the same even if sq788 passes. Absolutely nothing changes. If you piss positive for weed, at any point, you're fired. Stoned or not, prescription or not. Immediate termination.

And actually, I've never worked for an employer in Oklahoma that this WAS NOT their drug policy. I don't expect any businesses to change this policy... unless they actually are pro-marijuana.

Listen, I'm for legalizing rec weed (and taxing the everloving sh*t out of it). But I'm also very PRO drug policy for businesses. Employers should be able to have a firm, zero-tolerance drug policy and enforce it any way they feel like.
 

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Well they are right about one thing, this is most definitely NOT about medical marijuana. 99% of the people pushing and supporting this thing are doing it as either a first step towards total legalization or because they know that once it passes, they can get a scrip for "depression" and blaze up whenever they want. None of them really care about granny getting her treatment for cataracts or whatever the hell. Can we please drop the pretense, I'll gladly support an honest and open push for total legalization.
 

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Again... we have already told our employees... because they've already been asking... our company drug policy remains EXACTLY the same even if sq788 passes. Absolutely nothing changes. If you piss positive for weed, at any point, you're fired. Stoned or not, prescription or not. Immediate termination.
True story. After our zero-tolerance alcohol policy was implemented we had a company meeting in which the following questions were asked: 1) "What's that equate to as far as drinking?" to which our HSE guy told them it was basically the equivalent of swishing mouthwash and immediately taking a breathalyzer. This was followed up by question 2) "You mean we can't have like a half a beer during lunch??"... Which means we had guys who operate heavy machinery that thought drinking beer during lunch was evidently acceptable before... :facepalm:
 

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Those kinds of meetings just have a tendency to REALLY open your eyes as to the caliber of people you work with...
Ummmm... yeah. We kinda immediately knew who the pot smokers were because they played their hand asking about SQ788 changing our zero tolerance drug policy. In a company of ~230 employees, there were at least 10 different inquiries. :derp:

Which also goes to show you that the "medical" marijuana is a sham. These people were already planning on trying their a$$es off to get a prescription so they could legally smoke their rec weed (that they already smoke apparently).

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Which also goes to show you that the "medical" marijuana is a sham. These people were already planning on trying their a$$es off to get a prescription so they could legally smoke their rec weed (that they already smoke apparently).

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What about the people with cancer who want med marijuana to bring their appetites back? They can't keep Marinol down. Are they also part of the sham and shamelessly lying when they say they owe their lives to med. marijuana?

Also is this couple a part of the medical marijuana sham?

Words From an Oklahoma Cannabis Refugee Now Living In Colorado

My husband and I are both disabled, medical cannabis patients and moved to Pueblo, CO from Oklahoma City in 2015. We both believed cannabis could relieve our pain and allow us to get off of the massive amounts of narcotics we were on when we lived in OKC.

How many narcotics? Well, we both saw the doctor monthly, and were both on similar amounts. We each had 2 prescriptions for narcotics by patch, and a prescription for a narcotic pain pill, all for daily use. All of the narcotics were morphine based, meaning high potency opioids.

Today, we are both using cannabis as our pain medication and only use narcotics for the worst 3 months of winter. We haven't used any patches at all in over 2 years. Cold weather makes our pain level spiral higher and adding a low level narcotic in those 3 months of winter for break through pain helps with the excessive pain caused by the weather changes.

With all of the discussion about what is and isn't in your State Question, I want to stress this about my experience and what I have seen in practice in Colorado.

Make certain you understand that passing the state question is not going to be the end of your fight. Once the state question passes you then need to provide support and assistance to those who will be the patients in need of cannabis to give them back part of their lives.

The fight will be between you and the legislature to provide the details of who will be allowed be given a card for cannabis. You will also have to fight for who will make money from cannabis and, if any of that money goes in to state coffers, where will it go from there.

EVERYTHING that is not spelled out in the state question will be answered by your legislature. You will need to have 'contact campaigns' and rallies every single time they want to limit and change what has been approved by the people who voted for the state question.

You will have to get every lawmaker to see that every limit they place on the issue of medical cannabis will exclude a group of patients who need the option of using Medical Cannabis. They will not have the option of recreational marijuana to skirt the edge of the law like I have seen patients use here.

Another point to leave you with. There are those of us who are Cannabis Refugees who will not be returning to Oklahoma to live, under any circumstances. I'm sure some of them will return, and I have no problem with that. Don't get me wrong, I love Oklahoma and it's people. At this time in my life, I don't trust Oklahoma lawmakers and the only thing I've ever trusted about Oklahoma's weather is it's ability to turn on everyone at the drop of a hat.
 
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What about the people with cancer who want med marijuana to bring their appetites back? They can't keep Marinol down. Are they also part of the sham and shamelessly lying when they say they owe their lives to med. marijuana?

Also is this couple a part of the medical marijuana sham?

Words From an Oklahoma Cannabis Refugee Now Living In Colorado

My husband and I are both disabled, medical cannabis patients and moved to Pueblo, CO from Oklahoma City in 2015. We both believed cannabis could relieve our pain and allow us to get off of the massive amounts of narcotics we were on when we lived in OKC.

How many narcotics? Well, we both saw the doctor monthly, and were both on similar amounts. We each had 2 prescriptions for narcotics by patch, and a prescription for a narcotic pain pill, all for daily use. All of the narcotics were morphine based, meaning high potency opioids.

Today, we are both using cannabis as our pain medication and only use narcotics for the worst 3 months of winter. We haven't used any patches at all in over 2 years. Cold weather makes our pain level spiral higher and adding a low level narcotic in those 3 months of winter for break through pain helps with the excessive pain caused by the weather changes.

With all of the discussion about what is and isn't in your State Question, I want to stress this about my experience and what I have seen in practice in Colorado.

Make certain you understand that passing the state question is not going to be the end of your fight. Once the state question passes you then need to provide support and assistance to those who will be the patients in need of cannabis to give them back part of their lives.

The fight will be between you and the legislature to provide the details of who will be allowed be given a card for cannabis. You will also have to fight for who will make money from cannabis and, if any of that money goes in to state coffers, where will it go from there.

EVERYTHING that is not spelled out in the state question will be answered by your legislature. You will need to have 'contact campaigns' and rallies every single time they want to limit and change what has been approved by the people who voted for the state question.

You will have to get every lawmaker to see that every limit they place on the issue of medical cannabis will exclude a group of patients who need the option of using Medical Cannabis. They will not have the option of recreational marijuana to skirt the edge of the law like I have seen patients use here.

Another point to leave you with. There are those of us who are Cannabis Refugees who will not be returning to Oklahoma to live, under any circumstances. I'm sure some of them will return, and I have no problem with that. Don't get me wrong, I love Oklahoma and it's people. At this time in my life, I don't trust Oklahoma lawmakers and the only thing I've ever trusted about Oklahoma's weather is it's ability to turn on everyone at the drop of a hat.
Completely speculative and entirely anecdotal. Weed has never been proven, via clinical trial, to have any MEDICINAL qualities. Until then, it is no more effective in any treatment than a placebo. Which by the way, placebo's can even be "MEDICINAL". :facepalm:

Nevermind the fact that I was referring to current, quite healthy mid 30's adults at my company whining about our drug policy not allowing them to use prescribed weed to get their nightly/weekend high and think they should have a clear get-out-of-free-jail-card.
 
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Completely speculative and entirely anecdotal. Weed has never been proven, via clinical trial, to have any MEDICINAL qualities. Until then, it is no more effective in any treatment than a placebo. Which by the way, placebo's can even be "MEDICINAL". :facepalm:

Nevermind the fact that I was referring to current, quite healthy mid 30's adults at my company whining about our drug policy not allowing them to use prescribed weed to get their nightly/weekend high and think they should have a clear get-out-of-free-jail-card.
You make an important point about placebo's. It has been shown that anyone taking a placebo has a 1/3rd chance of improving, a 1/3rd chance of remaining the same, and a 1/3rd chance of getting worse. Too many people forget or never knew these percentages. This makes it extremely difficult and costly to evaluate any drug including marijuana.
 

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Completely speculative and entirely anecdotal. Weed has never been proven, via clinical trial, to have any MEDICINAL qualities. Until then, it is no more effective in any treatment than a placebo. Which by the way, placebo's can even be "MEDICINAL". :facepalm:
So to you, people in pain are best advised to stick with their FDA approved opioids, even though 1000s of people die from overdoses every year.
 

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LOL, more Reefer Madness! This is what Oklahoma Faith Leaders, have to say about this Oklahoma activist who has been lobbying for marijuana and hemp law reform in Oklahoma for nearly 30 years. Where is there compassion for the sick?

"This is what we're fighting against. Their intent is to undo the influence of the church in Oklahoma - or "unbuckle the bible belt." This is why we must vote no!"

 
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LOL, more Reefer Madness! This is what Oklahoma Faith Leaders, have to say about this Oklahoma activist who has been lobbying for marijuana and hemp law reform in Oklahoma for nearly 30 years. Where is there compassion for the sick?

"This is what we're fighting against. Their intent is to undo the influence of the church in Oklahoma - or "unbuckle the bible belt." This is why we must vote no!"

Well... Who is she? Has she dumped millions in to proving that marijuana can meet all of the "medicinal" claims that non-clinicians are claiming? Is she truly in it for those that are suffering, and lobbying for them? OR is she just some crackpot activist that wants her selfish legal high?

Pun fully intended.
 

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LOL, more Reefer Madness! This is what Oklahoma Faith Leaders, have to say about this Oklahoma activist who has been lobbying for marijuana and hemp law reform in Oklahoma for nearly 30 years. Where is there compassion for the sick?

"This is what we're fighting against. Their intent is to undo the influence of the church in Oklahoma - or "unbuckle the bible belt." This is why we must vote no!"

Lol. They said that ("unbuckle the bible belt") because that's the exact words that this lady used... Did you bother to look anything up past OK Faith Leaders photo post?? (Rhetorical, I know you didn't.) The dang photo is even straight from the NewsOK article where she's cited saying it...
https://newsok.com/article/5597602/...ghlight-pro-medical-marijuana-rally-in-norman
"We're going to unbuckle the Bible belt," Norma Sapp, state director of the Oklahoma chapter of the National Organization for Reform of Marijuana Laws, shouted to supporters of State Question 788, the medical marijuana issue that will be on the June 26 primary election ballot.
 

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Lol. They said that ("unbuckle the bible belt") because that's the exact words that this lady used... Did you bother to look anything up past OK Faith Leaders photo post?? (Rhetorical, I know you didn't.) The dang photo is even straight from the NewsOK article where she's cited saying it...
https://newsok.com/article/5597602/...ghlight-pro-medical-marijuana-rally-in-norman
I stand with her. The Oklahoma Christian right is active in this state trying to prevent legal doctor recommended access to sick people needing medical marijuana in Oklahoma. Let's unbuckle their opposition on June 26. Once again, where is their compassion for the sick?

Are you also concerned about where the money is coming from? The NO side just threw $453,000 at a media campaign. Where do you think that came from? Since the SQ788 campaign is without a doubt a straight from the heart grass roots Oklahoma movement, it's doubtful it can answer to that huge amount. And there is no way you can dispute that for now. Good luck finding something in the final financial disclosures.

She recently appeared at OSU in a forum for the yes side. Here she is talking about the need for justice reform when it comes to marijuana laws, beginning at 31:50. The young man on her side is smart on the issue and authored much of SQ788.

 
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