Oklahoma SQ788 IS NOT MEDICAL PAC Forms

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LOL, Guy dresses up like Jesus to protest against a baptist church for being against SQ788. Preacher thinks it's about the same as rec marijuana and wants him off church property.

Amazing. So you mean to tell me those danged conservative Christians, when confronted (and arguably baited) with a protest of an opposing view on THEIR private property are able to just walk up and cordially introduce themselves and acknowledge their right to protest but calmly tell them they just need to move it of their private property? Then have a civil DISCUSSION about their differing view points before leaving the protester to continue his protest?! The NERVE!
 

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Amazing. So you mean to tell me those danged conservative Christians, when confronted (and arguably baited) with a protest of an opposing view on THEIR private property are able to just walk up and cordially introduce themselves and acknowledge their right to protest but calmly tell them they just need to move it of their private property? Then have a civil DISCUSSION about their differing view points before leaving the protester to continue his protest?! The NERVE!
I just think it was funny.

Meanwhile, while at the Edmond forum on SQ788 Tues. night, I found that the opposition isn't confident that legislators will gut SQ788 to their satisfaction.
 

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I would support it if they dropped the bs medical claims. Just bring up alcohol is legal, why not pot. I would agree with them.

Hell. I still don’t care if it passes. Smokem if you got em. Just don’t drive
Also... prepare to lose your job due to a positive piss test. I know my company isn't changing their stance on their drug policy. Doesn't matter... prescription or not... fail your drug test = immediate termination. Bye Felicia.
 

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Also... prepare to lose your job due to a positive piss test. I know my company isn't changing their stance on their drug policy. Doesn't matter... prescription or not... fail your drug test = immediate termination. Bye Felicia.
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I had mixed feelings about this at first. But I've been suffering from really bad back problems for the past year and there aren't many treatment options. If there were some experimental treatment I might go for it.
I don’t think you can. The way I read it, it had to be a terminal illness. Now you could probably sign up for some new drug clinical trials though.

And I completely agree with Trump’s decision to fast track new, unproven drugs and allow terminal ill people to volunteer for the (super) early phase trials. Pretty sure they would get access to these drugs with minimal safety testing and almost NO clinical trial data.

But, what do they have to lose?
 

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Obviously, the Baptists don't understand how the prohibition of marijuana has devastated families, not marijuana itself. Former State Sen. Johnson gets it, “Our children’s lives are just beset with issues of locking up their parents and putting them in the pipeline to prison.”

“My hope is that Oklahoma will vote down marijuana legalization and continue to put legal barriers between addiction and the communities it devastates." Russel Moore, a Baptist. It sounds like the Baptists want more people in prison over drugs, not fewer. Oklahoma is now the most imprisoned state in the country and possibly world. Prison room has run out. Would the Baptists like the churches made to start paying taxes so money can be found to build more prisons?

https://religionnews.com/2018/06/06...juana-ballot-question-splits-people-of-faith/
 

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I had a phone call poll yesterday asking me about this new potential law. I have said before that I am for complete legalization but am 100% against the sham of medical marijuana and so I will be voting no for that reason. BUT, if some of the things they asked me about in the poll are true, then I would be voting against this law even if I was for medical marijuana.

One thing they said that really stood out to me was that this law would not allow business owners to prohibit people smoking in their business, similarly, landlords would not be able to prohibit renters from growing it in the space they are renting. Now I don't know if either of those are true, but if so, they are both non-negotiable no's for me and should at least raise questions for anybody else who supports this purely for libertarian reasons.

Anybody voting on this should take the time to read AND understand what this law says before deciding how you are going to vote on it. There's no harm in voting no and forcing a better written law to be submitted next time, even if it's something you truly feel passionate about. Also, consider the potential blow back once some of these things come to light, if it can be passed, it can be repealed......be careful Townie's of the world that you don't pass something that directly effects other people on an issue that should be about personal liberty.
 

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I had a phone call poll yesterday asking me about this new potential law. I have said before that I am for complete legalization but am 100% against the sham of medical marijuana and so I will be voting no for that reason. BUT, if some of the things they asked me about in the poll are true, then I would be voting against this law even if I was for medical marijuana.

One thing they said that really stood out to me was that this law would not allow business owners to prohibit people smoking in their business, similarly, landlords would not be able to prohibit renters from growing it in the space they are renting. Now I don't know if either of those are true, but if so, they are both non-negotiable no's for me and should at least raise questions for anybody else who supports this purely for libertarian reasons.

Anybody voting on this should take the time to read AND understand what this law says before deciding how you are going to vote on it. There's no harm in voting no and forcing a better written law to be submitted next time, even if it's something you truly feel passionate about. Also, consider the potential blow back once some of these things come to light, if it can be passed, it can be repealed......be careful Townie's of the world that you don't pass something that directly effects other people on an issue that should be about personal liberty.
Don't forget that the Oklahoma State Legislature can greatly modify SQ788 or so much as throw the whole thing out if it passes. Now don't tell me you don't have confidence in the highly conservative, Christian Republican legislators will at least modify it to be more restrictive

The majority of medical marijuana recommended by doctors doesn't even involve smoking joints.

Farmers are helping to fund the SQ788 campaign. Probably with them is where much of the growing operations will take place. This is going to be about more jobs for Oklahoma.
 

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Don't forget that the Oklahoma State Legislature can greatly modify SQ788 or so much as throw the whole thing out if it passes. Now don't tell me you don't have confidence in the highly conservative, Christian Republican legislators will at least modify it to be more restrictive
I don't know what the Oklahoma legislature is but is sure as hell isn't conservative. whatever they are, I don't trust them to do squat anymore, Rep or Dem.

This is going to be about more jobs for Oklahoma.
Well doctors will certainly be able to make more under the table by writing "fake" scrips. And lawyer will have some nice lawsuits as soon as a business throws somebody out for smoking it.
 

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And lawyer will have some nice lawsuits as soon as a business throws somebody out for smoking it.
Don't worry. Nowhere does SQ788 specify that businesses must accept the presence of a medical marijuana smoker. They can be asked to leave same as a cigarette smoker.

Employers will have the right to deal with people on medical marijuana in the same way as do with drunks. Drunks starting work can be fired on the spot. It's the same way with patients on medical marijuana. They, too, can be fired on the spot, if they come to work high, and can't smoke on the job.

If legalized medical marijuana does so much great harm upon the people and the business community, then why hasn't one state repealed it? Instead, states are moving on to legalizing rec marijuana. There's a rec petition currently in Oklahoma that's not too far off track of getting 124,000 signatures by Aug. 8th.
 
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Don't worry. Nowhere does SQ788 specify that businesses must accept the presence of a medical marijuana smoker. They can be asked to leave same as a cigarette smoker.

Employers will have the right to deal with people on medical marijuana in the same way as do with drunks. Drunks starting work can be fired on the spot. It's the same way with patients on medical marijuana. They, too, can be fired on the spot, if they come to work high, and can't smoke on the job.

If legalized medical marijuana does so much great harm upon the people and the business community, then why hasn't one state repealed it? Instead, states are moving on to legalizing rec marijuana. There's a rec petition currently in Oklahoma that's not too far off track of getting 124,000 signatures by Aug. 8th.
Wrong. You don’t have to come to work stoned to be fired... all you have to do is test positive on a random drug test. Prescription or not, your dumbass can, and will be, fired.
 

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Wrong. You don’t have to come to work stoned to be fired... all you have to do is test positive on a random drug test. Prescription or not, your dumbass can, and will be, fired.
I wasn't wrong. Showing up to work stoned after SQ788 passes is still valid grounds to get fired. However, you certainly brought up a major reason why the Chamber of Commerce is opposed to SQ788. They don't like this passage in SQ788:

"Employers may not take action against the holder of a medical
marijuana license solely based upon the status of an employee as a medical marijuana
license holder or the results of a drug test showing positive for marijuana or its
components."

SQ788 proponents held meetings with activists in Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Stillwater and Norman during the 1st quarter of 2016 before arriving to final wording of the petition. I reckon nobody in attendance was bright enough to think that part might be objectionable to members of the business community. Maybe none of them showed up at the meetings. We'll have to see how legislators will balance the rights of med marijuana patients with the rights of businesses who want to run a drug free workplace.
 
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I wasn't wrong. Showing up to work stoned after SQ788 passes is still valid grounds to get fired. However, you certainly brought up a major reason why the Chamber of Commerce is opposed to SQ788. They don't like this passage in SQ788:

"Employers may not take action against the holder of a medical
marijuana license solely based upon the status of an employee as a medical marijuana
license holder or the results of a drug test showing positive for marijuana or its
components."
Our company has already come out and said, “doesn’t matter if 788 passes. You test positive at any point, it is immediate termination. Even with a prescription”. It will not affect our current drug policy as written and we will not change it.

In our line of work, a mistake could end up costing the company millions of dollars or even kill someone... so if you’re stupid/selfish enough to put weed in front of your career (and ultimately your families wellbeing), prescription or not, then you better be prepared to be job hopping. Cause your ass gonna be grass.

Pun fully intended.
 
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Our company has already come out and said, “doesn’t matter if 788 passes. You test positive at any point, it is immediate termination. Even with a prescription”. It will not affect our current drug policy as written and we will not change it.

In our line of work, a mistake could end up costing the company millions of dollars or even kill someone... so if you’re stupid/selfish enough to put weed in front of your career (and ultimately your families wellbeing), prescription or not, then you better be prepared to be job hopping. Cause your ass gonna be grass.

Pun fully intended.
Oklahoma is a "at will" state, unless they change that it wouldn't matter anyways.

Why are states changing to rec states ? $$$$$$ pot tourism is huge business.
 

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Don't forget that the Oklahoma State Legislature can greatly modify SQ788 or so much as throw the whole thing out if it passes. Now don't tell me you don't have confidence in the highly conservative, Christian Republican legislators will at least modify it to be more restrictive

The majority of medical marijuana recommended by doctors doesn't even involve smoking joints.

Farmers are helping to fund the SQ788 campaign. Probably with them is where much of the growing operations will take place. This is going to be about more jobs for Oklahoma.
Too bad Ralph Shortey had to resign in disgrace. He could've hacked the bill to bits and then turned around and went to smoke some weed with an under age boy in a motel room.
 

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Oklahoma is a "at will" state, unless they change that it wouldn't matter anyways.

Why are states changing to rec states ? $$$$$$ pot tourism is huge business.
There are some exceptions. People who use tobacco products off the job can NOT be fired for that reason. If tobacco smokers can have such a special right, then why not medical marijuana users? Employers who require workers to be totally marijuana free better lobby legislators, if SQ788 passes.

Oklahoma should beat Texas to legalizing rec pot to have hordes of customers from highly populated northern Texas. Native Americans might as well be helping to get signatures for the current petition to vote on legalizing pot as shown here: https://www.sos.ok.gov/documents/questions/797.pdf They have one of the world's biggest casinos near the state border. They could have one of the world's largest pot stores, if TX continues to refuse to legalize.

I intend to sign the rec petition, plus the other one to put legal medical marijuana in the state constitution, in case the legislature guts SQ788.
 
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There are some exceptions. People who use tobacco products off the job can NOT be fired for that reason. If tobacco smokers can have such a special right, then why not medical marijuana users? Employers who require workers to be totally marijuana free better lobby legislators, if SQ788 passes.
Why? You think just because it's "legal" means a company can't have a policy restricting it?? Alcohol is legal too, but if I show up to my job with it in my system and have to take an alcohol test for some reason, then I'm canned. Below legal limit or not...
 

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Why? You think just because it's "legal" means a company can't have a policy restricting it?? Alcohol is legal too, but if I show up to my job with it in my system and have to take an alcohol test for some reason, then I'm canned. Below legal limit or not...
I gather you strongly disagree with the Oklahoma policy that forbids employers from firing workers who use tobacco off the job. One might think Oklahoma must be a major tobacco growing state.