Oklahoma public comments open on force some Medicaid recip to work

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Binman4OSU

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The plan would affect appox 6000 Oklahomans age 19-50 Most of those affected would be women and to remain on Medicaid they must work 80 hrs per month or spend 80hr looking for a job

The avg annual income of those affected are families of 3 with annual income of $9400

Medically frail, new mother's, pregnant women and children would be exempt

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/input-sought-on-oklahomas-work-plan-for-medicaid
 

CocoCincinnati

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So in order to continue receiving free healthcare from the tax payers, a person has to work 20 hours a week or look for employment for 20 hours a week. I don't see the problem here. I have to work 40+ hours a week to pay for it.
 

Binman4OSU

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So in order to continue receiving free healthcare from the tax payers, a person has to work 20 hours a week or look for employment for 20 hours a week. I don't see the problem here. I have to work 40+ hours a week to pay for it.
Here are the requirements to be eligible for Medicaid in the state

Make less than $15k per year and You must also be either pregnant, a parent or relative caretaker of a dependent child(ren) under age 19, blind, have a disability or a family member in your household with a disability, or be 65 years of age or older.

Lots of single mothers will be impacted by this...I know when my wife and I were Young she didn't work to stay at home and take care of the kids. It was actually more financially beneficial for us for her to stay at home instead of work full time because of child care costs that are outrageous

Basically for single mothers on Medicaid now..they will get a job to keep Medicaid and will be sending most of their pay check to cover child care expenses while they are working
 

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Here are the requirements to be eligible for Medicaid in the state

Make less than $15k per year and You must also be either pregnant, a parent or relative caretaker of a dependent child(ren) under age 19, blind, have a disability or a family member in your household with a disability, or be 65 years of age or older.

Lots of single mothers will be impacted by this...I know when my wife and I were Young she didn't work to stay at home and take care of the kids. It was actually more financially beneficial for us for her to stay at home instead of work full time because of child care costs that are outrageous

Basically for single mothers on Medicaid now..they will get a job to keep Medicaid and will be sending most of their pay check to cover child care expenses while they are working
Lots of middle class people, including plenty of single mothers spend a majority of their paycheck on bills, including child care and their own "private" insurance.
 

CocoCincinnati

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Here are the requirements to be eligible for Medicaid in the state

Make less than $15k per year and You must also be either pregnant, a parent or relative caretaker of a dependent child(ren) under age 19, blind, have a disability or a family member in your household with a disability, or be 65 years of age or older.

Lots of single mothers will be impacted by this...I know when my wife and I were Young she didn't work to stay at home and take care of the kids. It was actually more financially beneficial for us for her to stay at home instead of work full time because of child care costs that are outrageous

Basically for single mothers on Medicaid now..they will get a job to keep Medicaid and will be sending most of their pay check to cover child care expenses while they are working
Also, working gives experience which gives the possibility of getting a better paying job, perhaps full time. Working a job you don't like can motivate you to acquire more valuable skills which also leads to a possibility of better jobs. Sitting at home does nothing but ensure that continues.

Our goal should be people getting off government assistance, not keeping them on it.
 

Binman4OSU

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Soonercare pays for child care as well...so if a single mother had kids that received Soonercare, she could go to a DHS approved facility and receive free child care.
You can also get DHS to pay for child care if you have a job and make less than $2500 per month without being on Soonercare

Basically these single mothers will get a job and still keep tax payer funded child care so for many of them who didn't have a job before and we're only getting Soonercare medical coverage will now have a min wage job ...get taxpayer funded medical coverage and now get taxpayer funded child care as well

Remember this only will affect those who currently don't work..so it will force them to work..which will now require them to get taxpayer funded child care so they can work ..and thus increase the tax payer burden for them to work due to child care expenses
 
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You can also get DHS to pay for child care if you have a job and make less than $2500 per month without being on Soonercare

Basically these single mothers will get a job and still keep tax payer funded child care so for many of them who didn't have a job before and we're only getting Soonercare medical coverage will now have a min wage job ...get taxpayer funded medical coverage and now get taxpayer funded child care as well

Remember this only will affect those who currently don't work..so it will force them to work..which will now require them to get taxpayer funded child care so they can work ..and thus increase the tax payer burden for them to work due to child care expenses
Right, so obviously this creates a bigger burden on the taxpayers. However, if the goal is to get people into long term jobs, that burden would ultimately go down because people would be paying for stuff themselves. Then again, it could just be one more "good idea" that fails.

Child care costs are insane. I live in Bartlesville and paid $550/month for day care. Was talking to a guy from work (in Tulsa) who said he was paying $1200/month for child care! Of course, I wonder if it has anything to do with providers saying "Well, DHS is paying for this....soooo my monthly fee is $1200".

I would be interested in finding some actual numbers of how many able bodied people receive medicaid, and where in the state they live.
 
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Why I think this is stupid..forced to work to keep assistance but does nothing to reward working enough to get off assistance and continues to encourage those already on assistance to work just enough and not more to stay on assistance

Doesn't accomplish much imho
Round and round we go! It's like someone just took the very first step of the grand scheme of getting people off state assistance and implemented it, and then did nothing to actually get people to that goal.
 

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Why I think this is stupid @ 20 hrs per week..forced to work to keep assistance but does nothing to reward working enough to get off assistance and continues to encourage those already on assistance to work just enough and not more to stay on assistance

Doesn't accomplish much imho
The system IS broken and badly in need of reform. But it is always good to get people used to the idea that yes work is a part of life and, more importantly teaching their kids the same thing instead of teaching them it's ok to sit at home and live off others. Plus as I've already said it builds experience which is a necessary step in the long term goal of getting them good employment.
 

Binman4OSU

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The system IS broken and badly in need of reform. But it is always good to get people used to the idea that yes work is a part of life and, more importantly teaching their kids the same thing instead of teaching them it's ok to sit at home and live off others. Plus as I've already said it builds experience which is a necessary step in the long term goal of getting them good employment.
I don't disagree with teaching work habits...I just think the targets and goals are stupid ...set way to low to be effective and could potentially increase taxpayer burden in child care expenses

I dislike the idea of tax payers potentially bearing a greater responsibility to teach able body adults how to be adults
 

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Why I think this is stupid @ 20 hrs per week..forced to work to keep assistance but does nothing to reward working enough to get off assistance and continues to encourage those already on assistance to work just enough and not more to stay on assistance

Doesn't accomplish much imho
You'd think the state would actually have a need for such a workforce. Stuffing envelopes, ad mins, horticulture specialists, it seems the list could go on forever.
 

CocoCincinnati

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dislike the idea of tax payers potentially bearing a greater responsibility to teach able body adults how to be adults
When you put it like that it's hard to disagree with you. But as the saying goes, the devil is in the details. Which is a bigger cost to the taxpayer; teaching adults to be adults which has a higher but potentially short term cost, or just leaving them be which has a lower but certainly longer term cost? I don't know.
 

Binman4OSU

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You'd think the state would actually have a need for such a workforce. Stuffing envelopes, ad mins, horticulture specialists, it seems the list could go on forever.
Yeah that's just what we need...tax payer funded govt jobs so they can keep their tax payer funded benefits....

Now I could get behind them getting govt jobs with their compensation being Soonercare instead of a paycheck....like Federal work study for educational financial aid

But that is kinda like endentured servitude
 
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