Notre Dame Cathedral is burning - Ile de France

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Aug 16, 2012
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Possibly a worst case scenario: Church official says cathedral's entire frame is engulfed.
Possibly a worst case scenario: Church official says cathedral's entire frame is engulfed.
The cathedral is load bearing stone with wood used for the roofs and interior elevated floors. Hopefully the fire can be contained to the point the exterior is salvageable but with all of the falling parts and heat of the fire, keeping the exterior stone walls intact may be asking for a miracle. The unbelievable stain glass windows are probably molten pools of sand by now. This is irreplaceable.
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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Just guessing...but gothic churches were built with high ceilings to avoid fire that started from below. If workmen were working in the high ceiling they would have spotted an accidental fire immediately and likely
contained it.
apparently it had more to do with strength, which allowed more height and bigger windows which allowed more light into the otherwise dreary cathedrals

The use of the pointed arch rather than the rounded arch allowed for great flexibility in the interior design. The pointed arch could extend upward to great heights. Pointed arches would also allow for a greater distance between the columns or piers beneath them. Also from the top of these piers were arches that crisscrossed the ceilings and were locked together by a boss stone. These ceiling were called vaulted. Pushing against these piers on the outside were the flying buttress. It all held together. The weight was not distributed to the wall. The walls were no longer load bearing so they could have large openings for windows. Some churches were built with almost totally glass walls such a St. Chappell in Paris. It has been said that you could removed all of the walls in a Gothic cathedral, and it would still stand.
 

pokes16

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If it does turn out to be irrefutable that this was an act of terror by Islamic Fundamentalists, it will be interesting to see how the apologetic left and the EU/French people respond. Could escalate very quickly with the large muslim population in Paris.
 
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If it does turn out to be irrefutable that this was an act of terror by Islamic Fundamentalists, it will be interesting to see how the apologetic left and the EU/French people respond. Could escalate very quickly with the large muslim population in Paris.
NOt to split hairs, but not sure this could even be called terrorism as no human casualties are involved. But to your larger point, I agree, it will be very interesting. Particularly with the nationalist winds blowing across Europe. It will be interesting to see if people get even more enraged by an act like this that took no human lives vs something like Charlie Hebdo.
 
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NOt to split hairs, but not sure this could even be called terrorism as no human casualties are involved. But to your larger point, I agree, it will be very interesting. Particularly with the nationalist winds blowing across Europe. It will be interesting to see if people get even more enraged by an act like this that took no human lives vs something like Charlie Hebdo.
NATO defines terrorism in the AAP-06 NATO Glossary of Terms and Definitions, Edition 2014 as "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against individuals or property in an attempt to coerce or intimidate governments or societies to achieve political, religious or ideological objectives".

If this was religiously motivated, it would be considered an act of terrorism.
 

wrenhal

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The likely reason for this is arson!
I say the same thing. On the news they said they thought it was due to renovations and that something happened from that because another church recently that was under renovation had a fire as well but since it was 6 p.m. at night they say it was very unlikely the construction workers were there so sounds like arson to me.

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