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OSUMIKE17

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Its about guarding people. The players that can stay in front of the other team will get the most minutes.
Guarding and rebounding > Scoring points.
JMHO
That’s not necessarily true. In fact, the way the game is moving, there is actually a lot more emphasis on scoring than playing defense...especially if you can hit three’s at a high clip.
 
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I think the rush to put Dizawga on the bench is going to cause a lot of heartburn for you non-believers.
Won't cause me much heartburn. Dizzy's skillset is that of good sixth man. More like Glendon Alexander or Stevie Graham the year he was really good off the bench. One of those guys was McAA and the other played in the NBA, so I wouldn't be taking that as insult to Dizzy. He could still average double figures off the bench.
 

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Dizzy will still start and likely get 20+ minutes per game. His experience is invaluable as well as his vision and passing ability. Then, obviously, his shooting.

His defense is obviously his weakness and while I expect it to have gotten better, I don’t think he is suddenly going to have more fluid hips or quicker feet.

Still, the positives grossly outweigh the negatives and there isn’t anyone else that can match or exceed his overall production.
I hope he spent as much time on his defense this summer as he did on his shooting last... he was an enormous liability in conference play because of his lack of defensive ability.
 

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I hope he spent as much time on his defense this summer as he did on his shooting last... he was an enormous liability in conference play because of his lack of defensive ability.
I thought this was abundantly clear, but perhaps not.
I don’t know who it isn’t abundantly clear with. It’s pretty much well known that defense is his weak spot.

With that said, you have to look at the whole picture. If you sit him and play someone that is better defensively but isn’t going to both score as many points and lead to others scoring as many points, then is that trade-off worth it?

His offensive +/- last season was 3.8. Only Lindy had a higher rating at 5.5.

Dizzy’s defensive +/-, however, was -1.8. That brought his overall +/- down to 2.0.

Assuming his defense is a little better due to experience, gained strength, etc, let’s say he makes a modest D+/- improvement to -1.0. For giggles, we’ll only move his offensive +/- to 4.0. That means to bench him, you’d have to have a freshman guard or wing with a +/- of at least 3.1.

That’s quite an ask.
 
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I don’t know who it isn’t abundantly clear with. It’s pretty much well known that defense is his weak spot.

With that said, you have to look at the whole picture. If you sit him and play someone that is better defensively but isn’t going to both score as many points and lead to others scoring as many points, then is that trade-off worth it?

His offensive +/- last season was 3.8. Only Lindy had a higher rating at 5.5.

Dizzy’s defensive +/-, however, was -1.8. That brought his overall +/- down to 2.0.

Assuming his defense is a little better due to experience, gained strength, etc, let’s say he makes a modest D+/- improvement to -1.0. For giggles, we’ll only move his offensive +/- to 4.0. That means to bench him, you’d have to have a freshman guard or wing with a +/- of at least 3.1.

That’s quite an ask.
I was told there'd be no math.

No, you're right, defense is only part of the equation, but I do believe he's a huge liability there.
 

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I don’t know who it isn’t abundantly clear with. It’s pretty much well known that defense is his weak spot.

With that said, you have to look at the whole picture. If you sit him and play someone that is better defensively but isn’t going to both score as many points and lead to others scoring as many points, then is that trade-off worth it?

His offensive +/- last season was 3.8. Only Lindy had a higher rating at 5.5.

Dizzy’s defensive +/-, however, was -1.8. That brought his overall +/- down to 2.0.

Assuming his defense is a little better due to experience, gained strength, etc, let’s say he makes a modest D+/- improvement to -1.0. For giggles, we’ll only move his offensive +/- to 4.0. That means to bench him, you’d have to have a freshman guard or wing with a +/- of at least 3.1.

That’s quite an ask.
I'm not advocating benching him... just hoping he worked on his defense as much as he worked on his shooting in 2018. The guy is capable of improving, obviously.
 
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Dizzy can go back to the role where he should be. He plays 10-15min on nights he's not hitting and facing a very difficult defensive matchup, and might play 25min when he's on fire and hitting. This is the value of depth.
 
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Dizzy can go back to the role where he should be. He plays 10-15min on nights he's not hitting and facing a very difficult defensive matchup, and might play 25min when he's on fire and hitting. This is the value of depth.
Exactly this, and it's not just about the numbers. When he is not over-exerting himself trying to defend a player he has no business matching up against, his shooting percentage will improve when he is on the floor. Then he might become the matchup problem for the other team, if they can't rest a better defender because he is raining threes. Like you say, the value of depth and options.
 
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The latest on OSU basketball from Frank Bonner II: A feature on Chris Harris Jr...

STILLWATER — Oklahoma State basketball freshman Chris Harris Jr. has made some major changes to his diet since joining the Cowboys, and one of the biggest was leaving Whataburger behind.

The 6-foot-3 guard from Dallas said he loves Whataburger and the honey barbeque chicken strip sandwich was his go-to meal while playing at South Garland High School. Harris has been in Stillwater for about four months now and has only had Whataburger once.

“No more honey barbeque chicken strip sandwiches for me,” Harris said on Monday.

“In high school, I ate whatever I wanted and I was still one of the best players. I know here you have to eat good, you have to sleep good in order to perform at your best.”

After treating the four-star recruit to some bacon cheese fries from Eskimo Joe’s on his official visit, OSU coach Mike Boynton made it clear to him that he was going to need to get in better shape.

“I knew from my official visit,” Harris said. “He said ‘You’re big.’ I was like, ‘Yes.’ He said ‘You’ll never look like this again.’ When I first got here on campus, when we took our pictures, he was like ‘Chris, you’ll never look like this again’ and that’s when I bought in.”
 

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Won't cause me much heartburn. Dizzy's skillset is that of good sixth man. More like Glendon Alexander or Stevie Graham the year he was really good off the bench. One of those guys was McAA and the other played in the NBA, so I wouldn't be taking that as insult to Dizzy. He could still average double figures off the bench.
Relatively speaking, I agree that Dizzy is a good 6th man on our current roster. But its laughable to compare Dizzy to Stevie Graham. Graham was an NBA-caliber player, and was STILL the 6th man on that roster. It just shows you how massively talented those teams were. No way Dizzy is even remotely close to NBA or McAA level of player.
 
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Relatively speaking, I agree that Dizzy is a good 6th man on our current roster. But its laughable to compare Dizzy to Stevie Graham. Graham was an NBA-caliber player, and was STILL the 6th man on that roster. It just shows you how massively talented those teams were. No way Dizzy is even remotely close to NBA or McAA level of player.
I agree he's not sniffing the NBA, but he could get us double figures like those guys could was my point. Glendon wasn't near the athlete he once was after many knee injuries when he was at OSU. Stevie hardly played his junior year. Too many turnovers for Coach Sutton's liking.
 
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Coach Boynton hired Barry Hinson as an analyst. :thumbup:

https://247sports.com/college/oklah...new-three-point-line-and-newcomers-136987646/
Boynton has added his first senior analyst in longtime Division I head coach and assistant coach as well as Oklahoma State graduate Barry Hinson. The native of Marlow, Oklahoma; Hinson arrived last week and they have been working out the details to his new role. He will be an analyst and work exclusively off the court but will assist the coaching staff in all phases of the program.