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okie from muskogee

okie from muskogee

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Lets talk about it!

PG: Ice-man (So.), Anderson (Fr.)
SG: Dziagwa (Sr.), Watson (Fr.), Jones (Sr.)
SF: Waters (Sr.), Keylan Boone (Fr.)
PF: McGriff (Sr.), Kalib Boone (Fr.), Demuth (So.)
C: Yor Anei (So.)

We'll definitely add another name to this list with 2 scholarships available. Christian Brown seems to be the most likely target at the moment, with Georgia having a slight advantage over us at this point. He could really help add to our depth in the post and be used as a stretch 4 if we could land him. Main thing right now is getting big man help down low. We should also be looking for another catch-and-shoot scorer off the bench. Brown could provide both of those if we land him. If we miss out on him look for us to go the JUCO/transfer route to solve those two problems. Also, adding some Juniors will help balance out the classes so we can stop recruiting 4-5 man classes each year. This allows us to go after 2-3 high caliber players per class in the future.

All of our leadership returns next year and we add some talented depth. Unfortunately we need that new talent to make an impact quickly. Tough ask for 4 (potentially more) freshman to do, but I believe our coaching staff can get them ready to compete for a spot in the NCAA tournament next year.

Forecast: 5th-6th in the Big XII and 8-10 seed in the NCAA tournament
 
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OSUinTX

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I know he grew a lot this conference season, but this time next year, I still see Dziagwa as the 6-man with the better Boone in the 3 and Waters at the 2. I have very high expectations for at least three of the freshman, hoping they get a lot of PT and develop quickly so substitutions are more of a line-change instead of having significant talent deficits when substitutions are made.

Something that also makes me excited....look at the kids MB has brought in and those that have considered OSU when you contrast that with results of the past two years. Just imagine what he could do with success on the court as well.
 
CocoCincinnati

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Three big weaknesses this year, in my completely unprofessional opinion; rebounding, perimeter defense and ball security. That last one got better towards the end of the year and hopefully will continue to improve next year. But when it comes to the remaining schollys, I hope a good defender and rebounder is being sought over another shooter. I don't care if we get a guy who averages 2 pionts a game, as long as they can lock down an opposing sharp shooter.
 
CPTNQUIRK

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CocoCincinnati said:
Three big weaknesses this year, in my completely unprofessional opinion; rebounding, perimeter defense and ball security. That last one got better towards the end of the year and hopefully will continue to improve next year. But when it comes to the remaining schollys, I hope a good defender and rebounder is being sought over another shooter. I don't care if we get a guy who averages 2 pionts a game, as long as they can lock down an opposing sharp shooter.
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Have you even looked at the guys that are coming in?
 
Poke Flyfisher

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CocoCincinnati said:
Three big weaknesses this year, in my completely unprofessional opinion; rebounding, perimeter defense and ball security. That last one got better towards the end of the year and hopefully will continue to improve next year. But when it comes to the remaining schollys, I hope a good defender and rebounder is being sought over another shooter. I don't care if we get a guy who averages 2 pionts a game, as long as they can lock down an opposing sharp shooter.
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I agree 100% about the need for a lock down defender. Eddie would always have one guy who he could depend on to shut down the other team's best scorer and who typically didn't score much. One that comes to mind is Cornell Hatcher but there were others.
 
TwinBlast

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CocoCincinnati said:
I have not seen them play. Does one of them look like they will be a good defender? I certainly didn't mean to imply they weren't if it came across that way.
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Lol, wow.

Marcus Watson, alone, could defend the entire perimeter. Of course, I'm engaging in a bit of hyperbole, but he is going to be a Tony Allen-esque defender, I sincerely believe that.
 
Functianalyst

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PG: Ice-man (So.)
SG: Dziagwa (Sr.)
SF: Waters (Sr.)
PF: McGriff (Sr.)
C: Yor Anei (So.)

Next year reminds me of a certain team out of Manhattan Kansas, this year.

PG - Brown (Sr.)
SG - Stokes (Sr.)
SF - Sneed (Jr.)
PF - Wade (Sr.)
C - Mawien (Jr.)
 
OStateBBjunkie

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Just looking at what senior players will be gone next year. Also, what minutes and points per game teams are losing for next season in the Big12.

2018-19 Big 12 Standings
TEAM

Texas Tech
Brandone Francis G (Minutes - 729 , PPG - 6.3)
Matt Mooney G (Minutes - 936 , PPG - 10.9)
Norense Odiase C (Minutes - 516 , PPG - 4.1)
Tariq Owens F (Minutes - 761 , PPG - 8.6)

Total Minutes = 2,942
Total PPG = 29.9

Kansas State
Barry Brown G (Minutes - 1086 , PPG - 15.1)
Kamau Stokes G (Minutes - 951 , PPG - 10.8)
Dean Wade F (Minutes - 761 , PPG - 12.9)

Total Minutes = 2,798
Total PPG = 38.8

Kansas
Lagerald Vick G (Minutes - 759 , PPG - 14.1)

Total Minutes = 759
Total PPG = 14.1

Baylor
Makai Mason G (Minutes - 795 , PPG - 14.6)
King McClure G (Minutes - 717 , PPG - 8.9)

Total Minutes = 1,512
Total PPG = 23.5

Iowa State
Marial Shayok G (Minutes - 966 , PPG - 18.7)
Nick Weiler-Babb G (Minutes - 1061 , PPG - 9.2)

Total Minutes = 2,027
Total PPG = 27.2

Texas
Dylan Osetkowski F (Minutes - 865 , PPG - 10.2)
Kerwin Roach Jr. G (Minutes - 748 , PPG - 14.4)

Total Minutes = 1,613
Total PPG = 24.6

TCU
JD Miller F (Minutes - 989 , PPG - 10.8)
Alex Robinson G (Minutes - 1112 , PPG - 12.7)

Total Minutes = 2,101
Total PPG = 23.5

Oklahoma
Aaron Calixte G (Minutes - 694 , PPG - 7.0)
Patrick Geha F (Minutes - 8 , PPG - 1.0)
Christian James G (Minutes - 1055 , PPG - 14.4)
Ty Lazenby G (Minutes - 0 , PPG - 0 )
Jamuni McNeace C (Minutes - 445 , PPG - 4.8)
Rashard Odomes G (Minutes - 555 , PPG - 6.7)
Miles Reynolds G (Minutes - 640 , PPG - 6.8)

Total Minutes = 3,397
Total PPG = 40.7

Oklahoma State
None

Total Minutes = 0
Total PPG = 0

West Virginia
Esa Ahmad F (Minutes - 647 , PPG - 12.0)

Total Minutes = 647
Total PPG = 12.0




Senior Minutes Lost Total Rankings
1) Oklahoma (3,397)
2) Texas Tech (2,942)
3) Kansas State (2,798)
4) TCU (2,101)
5) Iowa State (2,027)
6) Texas (1,613)
7) Baylor (1,512)
8) Kansas (759)
9) West Virginia (647)
10) Oklahoma State (0)


Senior PPG Lost Total Rankings
1) Oklahoma (40.7)
2) Kansas State (38.8)
3) Texas Tech (29.9)
4) Iowa State (27.2)
5) Texas (24.6)
6) TCU (23.5)
7) Baylor (23.5)
8) Kansas (14.1)
9) West Virginia (12.0)
10) Oklahoma State (0)
 
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Surprised how many guesses have 4 or 5 of our current starters as starters for next year. I see at least 2 role players in our starting 5 when I watch other teams play or look back on past OSU teams.

Not sure how Watson isn’t starting by Big 12.

If Likekele doesn’t develop better handles, he will be a back-up. He still forgets the shot clock and dribbles into bad situations. I wouldn’t mind getting a Juco PG.

Christian Brown could be a huge get. I think he will be a 20 year old Freshman.

These are just guesses but they are fun to make and discuss.
 
PickleRick

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I dont see how Dziagwa starts on this team next year. There is just way too much talent coming in ahead of him. Not only talent, but versatile talent.

Watson is going to be an incredible player for us. If we get Brown, it gets even more crowded for Dziagwa. We could run more two-PG rotations with both Ice and AAIII on the court at the same time and place Waters and Cam on the perimeter in a catch-and-shoot type offense.

Listen, I have a lot of respect for what Dziagwa did for us this year. He stepped up in a big way and ate up a lot of minutes for a team that desperately needed it. And, as we all saw throughout the year, his game greatly improved throughout the season.

But, you would have to be looking through some very strong orange glasses to think he is a Big 12 caliber starter. He just isnt. What he is is a guy who can come in for 15 minutes a game and pour in a bunch of threes and provide offensive sparks when needed.

These new guys coming in will allow him to do that. I personally think, as a result, we will see a better version of him next year as he will be allowed to roam around the perimeter more and find his shot.

Yeah, maybe Boynton gives him the senior bump to start the season and puts him in the starting rotation. But I just cannot imagine a scenario, short of injuries or dismissals, that Dziagwa is starting for this incredibly talented team by Big 12 play.

Our team is going to be incredibly athletic, physical, and talented next season. If the OP's starting five holds true, then so will his prediction of 5th or 6th in the BIg 12. However, if we play the players who are the most talented and give us the best chance to win, I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the mix at the end of the year.
 
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PickleRick said:
I dont see how Dziagwa starts on this team next year. There is just way too much talent coming in ahead of him. Not only talent, but versatile talent.

Watson is going to be an incredible player for us. If we get Brown, it gets even more crowded for Dziagwa. We could run more two-PG rotations with both Ice and AAIII on the court at the same time and place Waters and Cam on the perimeter in a catch-and-shoot type offense.

Listen, I have a lot of respect for what Dziagwa did for us this year. He stepped up in a big way and ate up a lot of minutes for a team that desperately needed it. And, as we all saw throughout the year, his game greatly improved throughout the season.

But, you would have to be looking through some very strong orange glasses to think he is a Big 12 caliber starter. He just isnt. What he is is a guy who can come in for 15 minutes a game and pour in a bunch of threes and provide offensive sparks when needed.

These new guys coming in will allow him to do that. I personally think, as a result, we will see a better version of him next year as he will be allowed to roam around the perimeter more and find his shot.

Yeah, maybe Boynton gives him the senior bump to start the season and puts him in the starting rotation. But I just cannot imagine a scenario, short of injuries or dismissals, that Dziagwa is starting for this incredibly talented team by Big 12 play.

Our team is going to be incredibly athletic, physical, and talented next season. If the OP's starting five holds true, then so will his prediction of 5th or 6th in the BIg 12. However, if we play the players who are the most talented and give us the best chance to win, I wouldn't be surprised to see us in the mix at the end of the year.
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I agree with this, especially the part about his reduction in minutes making him better. He took a lot of really bad shots this year because he had to. I think on next year's team he can be much more selective, and he'll have his legs under him. It should make him deadly for whatever time he is on the floor.
 
AshlandFlash

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I see a lot of disrespect and misunderstanding about what some of our players do. If you're that sure that Ice is going to the bench next year, I think you've been watching a different Cowboy team the last month or so.
 
NitroOrange

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OStateBBjunkie said:
Just looking at what senior players will be gone next year. Also, what minutes and points per game teams are losing for next season in the Big12.

2018-19 Big 12 Standings
TEAM

Texas Tech
Brandone Francis G (Minutes - 729 , PPG - 6.3)
Matt Mooney G (Minutes - 936 , PPG - 10.9)
Norense Odiase C (Minutes - 516 , PPG - 4.1)
Tariq Owens F (Minutes - 761 , PPG - 8.6)

Total Minutes = 2,942
Total PPG = 29.9

Kansas State
Barry Brown G (Minutes - 1086 , PPG - 15.1)
Kamau Stokes G (Minutes - 951 , PPG - 10.8)
Dean Wade F (Minutes - 761 , PPG - 12.9)

Total Minutes = 2,798
Total PPG = 38.8

Kansas
Lagerald Vick G (Minutes - 759 , PPG - 14.1)

Total Minutes = 759
Total PPG = 14.1

Baylor
Makai Mason G (Minutes - 795 , PPG - 14.6)
King McClure G (Minutes - 717 , PPG - 8.9)

Total Minutes = 1,512
Total PPG = 23.5

Iowa State
Marial Shayok G (Minutes - 966 , PPG - 18.7)
Nick Weiler-Babb G (Minutes - 1061 , PPG - 9.2)

Total Minutes = 2,027
Total PPG = 27.2

Texas
Dylan Osetkowski F (Minutes - 865 , PPG - 10.2)
Kerwin Roach Jr. G (Minutes - 748 , PPG - 14.4)

Total Minutes = 1,613
Total PPG = 24.6

TCU
JD Miller F (Minutes - 989 , PPG - 10.8)
Alex Robinson G (Minutes - 1112 , PPG - 12.7)

Total Minutes = 2,101
Total PPG = 23.5

Oklahoma
Aaron Calixte G (Minutes - 694 , PPG - 7.0)
Patrick Geha F (Minutes - 8 , PPG - 1.0)
Christian James G (Minutes - 1055 , PPG - 14.4)
Ty Lazenby G (Minutes - 0 , PPG - 0 )
Jamuni McNeace C (Minutes - 445 , PPG - 4.8)
Rashard Odomes G (Minutes - 555 , PPG - 6.7)
Miles Reynolds G (Minutes - 640 , PPG - 6.8)

Total Minutes = 3,397
Total PPG = 40.7

Oklahoma State
None

Total Minutes = 0
Total PPG = 0

West Virginia
Esa Ahmad F (Minutes - 647 , PPG - 12.0)

Total Minutes = 647
Total PPG = 12.0




Senior Minutes Lost Total Rankings
1) Oklahoma (3,397)
2) Texas Tech (2,942)
3) Kansas State (2,798)
4) TCU (2,101)
5) Iowa State (2,027)
6) Texas (1,613)
7) Baylor (1,512)
8) Kansas (759)
9) West Virginia (647)
10) Oklahoma State (0)


Senior PPG Lost Total Rankings
1) Oklahoma (40.7)
2) Kansas State (38.8)
3) Texas Tech (29.9)
4) Iowa State (27.2)
5) Texas (24.6)
6) TCU (23.5)
7) Baylor (23.5)
8) Kansas (14.1)
9) West Virginia (12.0)
10) Oklahoma State (0)
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This is a noteworthy post. Wow.
 
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