New Zealand Mosque attacks

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The only thing that approaches the sickness and loss of faith in humanity I feel when I something like this happens is seeing people instantly trying to turn it into points for their pet projects. I just wish we could Find a way to process horrible things like this without trying to spin it in your teams favor.
 
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nothing good comes from social media.
It is truly the sociological phenomenon of our times, I'm afraid.

Among other things, it's literally destroying journalism as we used to know it. As an OSU journalism grad, I cringe at the number of "OMG, can you believe what so & so said!" & "So & so calls out some person/group/cause." It's now become the equivalent of a junior high cafeteria in terms of reporting & dialogue.
 

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Well, I tried. I got through 8 before the post was forbidden. Didn't like what I read. Millions will believe in it. Now against the law in NZ to post or repost either vid or manifest.
The video shouldn't be shown. His maniacal ramblings shouldn't be available. His name should never be used, not even in court. He should be referred to as the alleged shooter or the defendant.

Publicizing this crap, and showing his face and plastering his name and insane writings all over everywhere is a recipe for inspiring a copy cat. Please note his reference to Dylan Roof.

He should be tried, hanged publicly, and his name should never be mentioned ever again.
 
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Guarantee this guy was anti-Trump, anti-gun, and anti-Candace Owens and did all of this knowing the media and left wing activists would politicize it and not show actual care or sympathy to the victims.

RIP to the victims and god bless the families. This kind of stuff is heartbreaking and maddening at the same time.
 

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This is an interesting line from his Manifesto

“The person who has influenced me above all was Candace Owens”

When people begin to tweet the shooters own written remarks to Candace Owens she responded saying

“LOL! ???? FACT: I’ve never created any content espousing my views on the 2nd Amendment or Islam,” Owens said in response to one now deleted tweet. “The Left pretending I inspired a mosque massacre in…New Zealand because I believe black America can do it without government hand outs is the reachiest reach of all reaches!! LOL!”

“HAHA OMG you racist Leftists are taking your racism and crazy to a whole new level hahah. Black people don’t have to be Democrats” now means…mosque shootings in New Zealand?”
Yeah that's crazy Candace Owens is conservative but she is by no means somebody that talks about anything like the second amendment or stuff like that, and besides if he's all about white unity why would he say a black person has inspired him. So obviously the guy just wrote a bunch of crap on purpose to incite people and that's exactly what they're falling for they're biting I mean he pulled them in Hook line & sinker on this. It's ridiculous.

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That part left me scratching my head. I don't really know that much about Candace Owens, but I haven't ever heard her say or tweet anything that would influence someone like this.
In Dec 2018 she said that it would have been fine if Hitler only wanted to make Germany great and had not wanted to expand his policies beyond Germany.

I actually don't have any problems at all with the word "nationalism." I think that the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don't want. ... Whenever we say "nationalism," the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler. You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine. The problem is that he wanted—he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. That's not, to me, that's not nationalism

She also has stated she believes the NRA is a civil rights organization that was founded to train African Americans to arm themselves
The beginnings of the NRA they did work to arm black people and train them that's just history and she's only saving about making Germany great she's not talking about all the other policies. she even says it had nothing to do with his part about trying to make everybody be German which was his white Aryan part of his policies

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What's funny is, if no one else brought it up. AOC showed off her Ash Wednesday cross last week, but this week she goes on a rant about thoughts and prayers. Either you're religious and you believe in prayer or you aren't religious. You can't be both because then your religion has no meaning, not being able to talk to the Creator.

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What's funny is, if no one else brought it up. AOC showed off her Ash Wednesday cross last week, but this week she goes on a rant about thoughts and prayers. Either you're religious and you believe in prayer or you aren't religious. You can't be both because then your religion has no meaning, not being able to talk to the Creator.

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I'm positive that is not the point she was making.

her comments were specific to the NRA who allegedly support guns for killing and then hypocrtically tell people that they'll pray that they don't get killed or in their gun death that God welcomes their soul.

of course it's just another inane comment by the crack-pot representative, but that's to be expected.
 
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Regulate guns like cars. When you're either and/or physically mentally incompetent not to operate one you lose your license and can't purchase one.

I think making it difficult for insane people to acquire deadly weapons is more useful than both thoughts and prayers.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/how-new-zealands-gun-laws-compare-to-the-states
All gun owners must have a license to carry in New Zealand, but not all firearms have to be registered. Criminal background checks are mandatory, and factor in mental health, addiction, and domestic violence in one's history.

New Zealand has laws like this in place, but it didn't stop this from happening. This was their first mass shooting in over 20 years though.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/background-checks/mental-health-reporting/
http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-...session-of-a-firearm-by-the-mentally-ill.aspx
We already have federal and state laws against selling firearms to the mentally incompetent. But it seems that the reporting of mental illness isn't very efficient. We probably need to find a way to create a better database for background checks.
 

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Regulate guns like cars. When you're either and/or physically mentally incompetent not to operate one you lose your license and can't purchase one.

I think making it difficult for insane people to acquire deadly weapons is more useful than both thoughts and prayers.
are you speaking to New Zealand or the US?

Arguably, the mentally incompetent have a greater need for self defense. I think propensity for VIOLENCE is a bigger factor than mental competence.
 
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Regulate guns like cars. When you're either and/or physically mentally incompetent not to operate one you lose your license and can't purchase one.

I think making it difficult for insane people to acquire deadly weapons is more useful than both thoughts and prayers.
Include voting with that and you might have a good centrist bi-partisan bill.
 

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The video shouldn't be shown. His maniacal ramblings shouldn't be available. His name should never be used, not even in court. He should be referred to as the alleged shooter or the defendant.

Publicizing this crap, and showing his face and plastering his name and insane writings all over everywhere is a recipe for inspiring a copy cat. Please note his reference to Dylan Roof.

He should be tried, hanged publicly, and his name should never be mentioned ever again.
Hard one for me. In the land of freedom you should be able to watch and read what you want. But where is the red line? I see what you're saying and that's was my message that the first 8 pages showed a world view a lot people agree with. The first thought I had was this will inspire more than just one nut which is bad in itself. On the other hand, I don't want to see it or read it but I HAVE to. Or else others will hijack the truth for whatever agendas and we will learn nothing. I watch to learn to see if there's anything can be done to be prepared or stop this from happening again. I read it so that I can come to my own conclusions so that Trump or Obama own twists aren't the narrative. I agree on never naming or splashing this on headlines but we should never censor the truth no matter how vile it is. He should be chopped to bits and fed to the rats and be done with it.