Mexico increase Police presence at their southern border in attempt to stop 4000 Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador immigrants

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So why can't they claim and use the asylum of Mexico instead of traveling all the way to the USA? Is Mexico not safe for them?
The Mexican Interior Department released a statement saying they had received refugee status request from 640 people so far which they will allow to stay in Mexico legally as refugees and had taken those individuals to a different location and is providing them with shelter, food/water, and medical attention
 

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The president of Honduras and Guatemala held an emergency meeting this weekend over the caravan and said that 5,400 people had entered Guatemala to try to join the caravan, but over 2,000 of them stopped and turned back before getting to the Mexican border

They said they have spoken to VP Pence about the possibility of working with the US to provide humanitarian aid and efforts to anyone who wants to voluntarily leave the caravan and return back to their home countries
 

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The president of Honduras and Guatemala held an emergency meeting this weekend over the caravan and said that 5,400 people had entered Guatemala to try to join the caravan, but over 2,000 of them stopped and turned back before getting to the Mexican border

They said they have spoken to VP Pence about the possibility of working with the US to provide humanitarian aid and efforts to anyone who wants to voluntarily leave the caravan and return back to their home countries
Funny how the threat to cut off aid actually works.

Btw, so this “plan” throws money at the group and rewards these efforts even if they don’t get here this encourages future demonstrations of mass protest eeer caravans. I don’t think that’s a good plan at all as it rewards the person who has likely already been paid...again...No, we need to figure out who organized this and then take euducated steps with that information.
 

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Face it guys, this could very easily be put on by either party.

The left could be behind this in hopes that it ends in military action so they can paint Trump as a violent tyrant.

The right could be behind this to rile up voters because who wants 7500 people storming our southern border while they burn our flag? BUILD THE WALL!!
nope.... it can be only done by the one sole corrupt party -- the Democrats (liberals)

It can only be more dirty tricks from the left. Face it.
 

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It wasn't just a lets get up and leave event. The planning for this caravan begin in April 2018 with logistical and aid support for it being run by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras. Pueblo Sin Fronteras is a organization that for the last 15 years has provided humanitarian aid and legal advice to migrants and refugees.

Now right wing groups try to tie Soros funding or the DNC to this Pueblo Sin Fronteras but there is no actual evidence of that
"The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, but the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) – thus the acronym CARA," WND reported. "At least three of the four groups are funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundation."
 

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"The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, but the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) – thus the acronym CARA," WND reported. "At least three of the four groups are funded by George Soros' Open Society Foundation."
I read this too and then tried to find proof it was real...the only problem is it an unsubstantiated claim made on some far right wing websites

Truth is no one knows where the funding for this group comes from. I even went to their website looking for affiliated groups etc. They had a paypal link for crowd source funding and that was it
 
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I read this too and then tried to find proof it was real...the only problem is it an unsubstantiated claim made on some far right wing websites

Truth is no one knows where the funding for this group comes from. I even went to their website looking for affiliated groups etc. They had a paypal link for crowd source funding and that was it
Any luck on figuring out their motivation of doing this en mass?
 

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There is safety in numbers
But someone or some group has to organize this...who funded it and why? Isn't that a question you have at all?

Can you not see the political motivation by either party or some outside actor(s) to do this? Either you show the extreme need for a wall or you create some major incident for the press to feed the sympathetic social ideals of the uneducated masses...both ways you get a public reaction that you can use to make political hay for your side.
 
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But someone or some group has to organize this...who funded it and why? Isn't that a question you have at all?

Can you not see the political motivation by either party or some outside actor(s) to do this? Either you show the extreme need for a wall or you create some major incident for the press to feed the sympathetic social ideals of the uneducated masses...both ways you get a public reaction that you can use to make political hay for your side.
I have read several articles on this caravan and others in just the last two days. If you take it upon yourself to try and understand the motivations of the participants and organizers you will have a much better feel for the situation. At least a lot better than you would if you listen only to those who are trying to make a political issue out of it.
 

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But someone or some group has to organize this...who funded it and why? Isn't that a question you have at all?
The Project Director for these caravans is Alex Mensing which Info Wars and Alex Jones and a host of other far right have tied to George Soros saying he is a lawyer for Soros based programs etc. He did serve as a family detention coordinator for the CARA (which far right claim is a Soros funded entity..but I can't find proof of it) family detention project in Texas for 11 months in 2015 to ensure Detained migrant families were not separated and got legal representation

As project manager for Pueblo Sin Fronteras Alex Mensing is part of a (best I can tell) weird new age cult like thing based out of San Francisco called The Long Now Foundation

He was the former Assistant Manager of their Museum and Store and was a History student at American University in Washington DC, did forest ecology research in Nevada, Colorado and Montana. He now works as a volunteer for the caravans, gives Long Now seminars, and is building their library

The Long Now Foundation has committed to developing and building a 10,000 year installation in Nevada (no one knows what that means)

Their goal is

to become the seed of a very long-term cultural institution. It aims to provide a counterpoint to what it views as today's "faster/cheaper" mindset and to promote "slower/better" thinking. The Long Now Foundation hopes to "creatively foster responsibility" in the framework of the next 10,000 years. In a manner somewhat similar to the Holocene calendar, the foundation uses 5-digit dates to address the Year 10,000 problem[1] (e.g., by writing "12018" rather than "2018"). The organisation's logo, a capital X with an overline, is a representation of 10,000 in Roman numerals.


Their founders say

Civilization is revving itself into a pathologically short attention span. The trend might be coming from the acceleration of technology, the short-horizon perspective of market-driven economics, the next-election perspective of democracies, or the distractions of personal multi-tasking. All are on the increase. Some sort of balancing corrective to the short-sightedness is needed-some mechanism or myth which encourages the long view and the taking of long-term responsibility, where 'long-term' is measured at least in centuries. Long Now proposes both a mechanism and a myth.

When I was a child, people used to talk about what would happen by the year 02000. For the next thirty years they kept talking about what would happen by the year 02000, and now no one mentions a future date at all. The future has been shrinking by one year per year for my entire life. I think it is time for us to start a long-term project that gets people thinking past the mental barrier of an ever-shortening future. I would like to propose a large (think Stonehenge) mechanical clock, powered by seasonal temperature changes. It ticks once a year, bongs once a century, and the cuckoo comes out every millennium.


Their seminars they debate historian vs futurist for human progress

They have a Rosetta Project in an attempt to preserve all human languages as they expect many human languages will be extinct in the next 100 years. samples of each language are collected and inscribed on a disc made of nickle alloy that is 3" wide and stored

They are also building a 10,000 year clock in Texas

The purpose of the Clock of the Long Now is to construct a timepiece that will operate with minimum human intervention for ten millennia.[3] It is to be constructed of durable materials, to be easy to repair, and to be made of largely valueless materials in case knowledge of the clock is lost or it is deemed to be of no value to an individual or possible future civilization; in this way it is hoped that the Clock will not be looted or destroyed. Its power source (or sources) should be renewable but similarly unlootable.[4] A prototype of a potential final clock candidate was activated on December 31, 1999, and is currently on display at the Science Museum at London. The Foundation is currently building the Clock of the Long Now in Van Horn, Texas.[5] The project has no expected completion date. “If it’s finished in my lifetime we’re doing it wrong,” said project director Alexander Rose.

They also have a manual on how to rebuild civilization after a cataclysm from scratch
 
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So basically a crazy humanist who thinks we are losing our attention spans and cares about human society and wishes to actively influence it in some way.. Likely interest in this is due to his and their feelings of 'fairness" OR needing labor to build his giant Stonehenge clock? :D
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dude just tweeted this...

"Shoulder to shoulder, hombro a hombro, working with people to build collective power. La lucha es de todxs. ¡Caminemos!"

Take it for what it is...political power play by an American against America...interesting.
 

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I have read several articles on this caravan and others in just the last two days. If you take it upon yourself to try and understand the motivations of the participants and organizers you will have a much better feel for the situation. At least a lot better than you would if you listen only to those who are trying to make a political issue out of it.
Impending massive assault on our boarder is a political issue for all sides...isn't being made one...except by those attempting and organizing it. This is obvious and a protest against the United States being a country of boarders and laws with an emphasis on their opinion that Republicans are mean and want to separate families. It sounds to me like these American Citizens have been going to Latin America and rounding up people for a long time to ship them to our nation in these caravans. It seem this has been being done to the Latin American poor for political reasons and not just so they can reach America for their own sake... Ultimately it seems to me to be an attempt to change the demographics and certainly the politics of boarder enforcement in the United States. Btw, THEY could just as easily and more cheaply help these folks in their homeland if that was their desire...IMHO, it's not (of course that is a guess). This guy is a Democratic border activists who has been actively shipping Aliens to our boarders evidently for years. Plain and simple.
 
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Impending massive assault on our boarder is a political issue for all sides...isn't being made one...except by those likely attempting it. This is obvious and a protest against the United States being a country of boarders and laws.
I see who you have chosen to listen to. Not surprisingly you are wrong. Though that seems to be where we are in modern politics. Everyone is bliss in their ignorance.