Mexico increase Police presence at their southern border in attempt to stop 4000 Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador immigrants

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This has been funded and timed by someone(s) on the left with virtually unlimited funds to coincide with the midterms. At some point, I expect, there will be violence and the left will attempt to pin it on Trump and by extension anyone associated with him or the republicans it’s really their last chance at flipping the senate or the house.

Look into the money behind this group and you’ll find your funding for this illegal action.
http://www.pueblosinfronteras.org
It would seem like a stupid move by the left to do this. Even they have got to suspect their stance on ignoring immigration laws was a huge factor in Trump winning in 2016. Then again, the left does appear more and more delusional the longer Trump is in office so maybe they actually think this issue is a winner for them. Of course, they also think if they can turn Texas blue it won't matter what the issues are (and they are unfortunately right) so maybe they are just looking at the long game here.
 
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It would seem like a stupid move by the left to do this. Even they have got to suspect their stance on ignoring immigration laws was a huge factor in Trump winning in 2016. Then again, the left does appear more and more delusional the longer Trump is in office so maybe they actually think this issue is a winner for them. Of course, they also think if they can turn Texas blue it won't matter what the issues are (and they are unfortunately right) so maybe they are just looking at the long game here.
I think that's SPOT ON! Turn Texas blue by any means necessary. Then it's game over.
 
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Face it guys, this could very easily be put on by either party.

The left could be behind this in hopes that it ends in military action so they can paint Trump as a violent tyrant.

The right could be behind this to rile up voters because who wants 7500 people storming our southern border while they burn our flag? BUILD THE WALL!!
 
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Pres. Trump declares the caravan a national emergy. :D
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1054351078328885248
 

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They are getting some form of help as there is no way that many people are getting food and water just handed to them as they travel considering it would wipe out the food and water in a lot of the areas they are walking. It is feasible that they are bringing their own supplies but that is a lot to bring which takes quite a bit of planning and all videos have just shown them basically with just the clothes on their backs. Thus logic says there is some form of support caravan with them that is not being shown. So why is it not being shown and who is running it?
 

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They are getting some form of help as there is no way that many people are getting food and water just handed to them as they travel considering it would wipe out the food and water in a lot of the areas they are walking. It is feasible that they are bringing their own supplies but that is a lot to bring which takes quite a bit of planning and all videos have just shown them basically with just the clothes on their backs. Thus logic says there is some form of support caravan with them that is not being shown. So why is it not being shown and who is running it?
It wasn't just a lets get up and leave event. The planning for this caravan begin in April 2018 with logistical and aid support for it being run by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras. Pueblo Sin Fronteras is a organization that for the last 15 years has provided humanitarian aid and legal advice to migrants and refugees.

Pueblo Sin Fronteras (Village Without Borders) has done this caravan type event as they backed the other caravan that was headed to the US last time and one in 2017 and others before that.

The caravans are called Migrants' Way of the Cross and participants are told the story of how their journey ties to the biblical story of the crucifixion of Jesus and are tied to the Latin American and Latino Catholic celebration of Catholic Stations of the Cross procession...which re-enacts the last days of Jesus from the Cross to the Tomb. They often seek shelter, food, etc from local Catholic churches as they make their way through Mexico

After Trump tweeted about this caravan the Pueblo Sin Fronteras group released a statement asking the US respect the international right to migrate and to seek asylum and refuge of the group

The group has volunteers that travel with the caravans and provides shelter, food, etc for them on the journey.

Once the group gets into Mexico, Then Pueblo Sin Fronteras take a day with the migrants and provide legal experts who review each migrants case and claims for asylum and who would likely win an asylum case in US courts is then allowed to continue on. Those who can not potentially win an asylum case in the US are then rejected and told they have to stay in Mexico and seek asylum there or go home

Now right wing groups try to tie Soros funding or the DNC to this Pueblo Sin Fronteras but there is no actual evidence of that

There was video of people being handed a single bill each in the caravan claiming they were getting checks that went viral which was not the case. It was actually footage shot in Honduras and each person was being given a single Honduran bill ($26) which had been donated by local merchants and business owners for the Hondurans planning to go with the caravan before they ever left Honduras

 
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Thanks for showing me the light! Now we know it's just some humble refugee activist group weaponizing economically disadvantaged Central Americans and MS 13 members!! How could I have been so raaaayyyycisss?!?!
 

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Thanks for showing me the light! Now we know it's just some humble refugee activist group weaponizing economically disadvantaged Central Americans and MS 13 members!! How could I have been so raaaayyyycisss?!?!
the major concern is that Mexican Drug Cartels and groups like MS13 are actually funding these caravans to draw attention away from their nefarious goings on to focus US Immigration resources on these caravans to make it easier for them to move drugs and themselves across the border while resources are depleted dealing with the caravans
 
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While their mission statement and goal sound admirable, the fact that the caravan tore down the border fence kind of throws out the idea that "those who don't qualify for asylum are sent home".
 

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While their mission statement and goal sound admirable, the fact that the caravan tore down the border fence kind of throws out the idea that "those who don't qualify for asylum are sent home".
They have to get into Mexico before they are provided a legal review of their case. They tore down the Guatemalan Fence to exit the country to get into Mexico to meet the legal experts

Also this group dumps their rejected migrants on the Mexican Govt...do you think those who are rejected just turn around and go home.....or follow through with the Mexican Govt for Asylum? I highly doubt it. They most likely at that point try to make it to the US on their own without the Caravan
 

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Fox News reporter William La Jeunesse is traveling with the caravan and reporting on it.
This morning he said that Trump had been wrong about Mexico not doing their part to stop the caravan. He said that Mexico had offered asylum to 90% of the people in the caravan but they refused it wanting to go to the US.

La Jeunesse reported there are a lot of families in the caravan and said that most of the people were good people driven by poverty or trying to find a better life. He did say that some members of the caravan have told him there were criminals traveling in the group, but said they were a very small number.

Oh and no reports of any Middle Easterners in the group either.

La Jeunesse also reported the final destination of the caravan is Tijuana and they are avg 20 miles per day. They have 2400 miles left to go and are expecting to arrive in Tijuana in late Feb or early March 2019

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They have to get into Mexico before they are provided a legal review of their case. They tore down the Guatemalan Fence to exit the country to get into Mexico to meet the legal experts

Also this group dumps their rejected migrants on the Mexican Govt...do you think those who are rejected just turn around and go home.....or follow through with the Mexican Govt for Asylum? I highly doubt it. They most likely at that point try to make it to the US on their own without the Caravan
But that's what I am saying...The goal is to get these people through legally...but if that were truly the case, they would have waited at the fence like every other legal immigrant. Instead, they tore it down.
 

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But that's what I am saying...The goal is to get these people through legally...but if that were truly the case, they would have waited at the fence like every other legal immigrant. Instead, they tore it down.
You assume it was illegal for them to go to Mexico or leave Guatemala

By law in Honduras, Guatemala, El Salvador and Nicaragua, any resident of this area who has their national ID card can freely travel beyond their borders into Mexico. After almost 2 days of being denied their legal right to travel they broke down the fence and went through.

If your govt wasn't obeying its laws, what would you do? Mexico stated that anyone crossing the border with the proper ID would be allowed to pass as that was the law. Guatemala tried to stop these people from crossing a border they legally had access to cross
 
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So Mexico just wasn't processing them fast enough? I haven't seen anywhere write about them flat being denied. Everything I've seen is that Mexico is doing everything in their power to process as many as possible to make it legal for them to proceed.
 
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Mexico's own foreign relations secretary said "those with passports and valid visas would be let in immediately, though he acknowledged that "we anticipate those are the minority." - That makes it sound like they need a little more than a national ID card to get into Mexico.
 

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Mexico's own foreign relations secretary said "those with passports and valid visas would be let in immediately, though he acknowledged that "we anticipate those are the minority." - That makes it sound like they need a little more than a national ID card to get into Mexico.
At the border you have to show your ID card and you get a TVR (7 day visitors Visa) that allows entry into the 4 Southern states of Mexico. Mexico brought in 500 additional officers to process this

After the caravan tore down the Guatemalan fence, they set up a refugee camp on the Mexican side of the border to be processed to get their TVR. Per Fox News 9 out of 10 that have been processed so far were offered asylum and refused. They will be breaking Mexican law if they travel beyond the borders of the 4 southern most states (which they plan to do)

Those who met with legal experts and have a good asylum case to enter the US claiming asylum were given a 45 day visitor Visa by Mexico to accommodate their journey to the US border.

Those who have been processed and given their Visas by the Mexican Govt (aprox 3,000 so far given either a 7 day limited southern states of 45 day visa) were bused to nearby Tapachula Mexico (where they are still at this morning) where the Red Cross had set up tents...of the 3,000 who were there and been processed over the last few days only ~1000 are still there. These will most likely be the people given the 45 day Visa...the rest are most likely on the 7 day Visa and trying to make a run

The Mexican Govt has a small gate to the processing office they open up to allow a limited number of the people into the office to process their Visa status, several have been injured trying to get through the gate to be processed
 
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https://www.wcjb.com/content/news/Migrants-prepare-to-cross-Guatemala-Mexico-border-498026361.html

-States that the first migrants showed up at the border Thursday.
-States that Mexico's ambassador to Guatemala says they had processed over 100 of the 3000 people and allowed them in to apply for refugee status before it got "aggressive"
-States that Friday afternoon/evening is when the fence was torn down.

So....Yeah, I feel like this caravan has succumb to mob mentality and is not interested in following law.
 
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At the border you have to show your ID card and you get a TVR (7 day visitors Visa) that allows entry into the 4 Southern states of Mexico. Mexico brought in 500 additional officers to process this

After the caravan tore down the Guatemalan fence, they set up a refugee camp on the Mexican side of the border to be processed to get their TVR. Per Fox News 9 out of 10 were offered asylum at this point and refused. They will be breaking Mexican law if they travel beyond the borders of the 4 southern most states (which they plan to do)

Those who met with legal experts and have a good asylum case to enter the US claiming asylum were given a 45 day visitor Visa by Mexico to accommodate their journey to the US border
Right, so the groups mission statement has been thrown out the window.
 

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At the border you have to show your ID card and you get a TVR (7 day visitors Visa) that allows entry into the 4 Southern states of Mexico. Mexico brought in 500 additional officers to process this

After the caravan tore down the Guatemalan fence, they set up a refugee camp on the Mexican side of the border to be processed to get their TVR. Per Fox News 9 out of 10 were offered asylum at this point and refused. They will be breaking Mexican law if they travel beyond the borders of the 4 southern most states (which they plan to do)

Those who met with legal experts and have a good asylum case to enter the US claiming asylum were given a 45 day visitor Visa by Mexico to accommodate their journey to the US border
I wish these people no harm, but calling them "refugees" I think, is a bit much...granted some may be seeking asylum, but to many in the USA it's an obviously a political ploy by one party or the other meant to divide and conquer. These events, if they end up in a radicalized left OR right in America and in reaction to them we degrade even more into stupidity, mob mentality, property destruction, and ultimately violence, they, IMHO, are evil tools.

The point we should be discovering is that if this is a manufactured event (which is very likely); we need to know precisely the factual reasons why. I would assume the reason is that some people think peoples shouldn't be more advantaged than others simply by birthright/American birth (i.e. no borders mentality). While somewhat noble in thought, the progression of this idea into the politics of envy, more often than not ends in bloodshed and confusion based on a humanistic ideal which is unattainable due on our fallen nature (a classic example being the French Revolution).

Manufactured events that are intended to divide are not a good thing...and this is one of those events. If nothing else it will be interesting to watch it play out and observe the reactionary issues it creates when the media throws gas on it.
 
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