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All coaching jobs are temporary - it's the nature of the beast; so I don't think that is a factor either way. If Knowles could get a measurable bump in pay why not? He has no other emotional ties to OSU (not an alum, etc). I have also read there was some discontent over how the pay cuts due to COVID were handled.

All in all I don't see this as some big negative on OSU.
 

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Asst coaches (and HC's) interview for jobs for various reasons. the conspiracy theories that some fans come up with is comical.
a list, in no particular order:
-stature in the coaching community. some osu fans may not understand the pull that leagues like the B10 has in the coaching ranks. is ill. a hard place to win? absolutely. is osu a hard place to win? absolutely! Ill has money, $120M in 2019. Ill also sponsors 19 NCAA sports. osu's was less than $100M. and sponsors much fewer sports.
-money for the asst.
-some degree of flexibility of choosing his staff
-challenge
-doesn't get along with HC or admin

my point is that it could be any number of reasons. but generally its not some clandestine conspiracy.
 
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Asst coaches (and HC's) interview for jobs for various reasons. the conspiracy theories that some fans come up with is comical.
a list, in no particular order:
-stature in the coaching community. some osu fans may not understand the pull that leagues like the B10 has in the coaching ranks. is ill. a hard place to win? absolutely. is osu a hard place to win? absolutely! Ill has money, $120M in 2019. Ill also sponsors 19 NCAA sports. osu's was less than $100M. and sponsors much fewer sports.
-money for the asst.
-some degree of flexibility of choosing his staff
-challenge
-doesn't get along with HC or admin

my point is that it could be any number of reasons. but generally its not some clandestine conspiracy.
I think the biggest issue with the coordinators at OSU maybe not that they don't get the freedom to call plays and install their schemes its the fact that they don't choose their coaching staffs, If you look at the defensive side of the ball the last position coach change other than LB coach(DC) was adding Richmond as a second D-Line coach. Maybe they get freedom to call their plays as long as the other coaches agree, the coaches installed by the head coach. I have no knowledge of this being the case only speculating.
 

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I hope he doesn’t leave; can’t blame a man for seeing what’s available. He’s done a very good job and I was pleasantly surprised how his hire worked out. 3-4 seasons is a good run for any OC or DC they aren’t meant to stay forever and it’s always a good thing when other P5’s want your guys.
 
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Gundy wrote the freaking book on this strategy: have success, interview for another job, let rumors fly, get a raise at current job. Let’s see how Gundy handles being on the other side of this process. Can’t blame Knowles.


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I hope he doesn’t leave; can’t blame a man for seeing what’s available. He’s done a very good job and I was pleasantly surprised how his hire worked out. 3-4 seasons is a good run for any OC or DC they aren’t meant to stay forever and it’s always a good thing when other P5’s want your guys.
Exactly, good coordinators are a double-edged sword.
 

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Gundy wrote the freaking book on this strategy: have success, interview for another job, let rumors fly, get a raise at current job. Let’s see how Gundy handles being on the other side of this process. Can’t blame Knowles.


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Except that it is not Gundy handling it but instead its Holder. He is the man that holds the purse strings.
 
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Looks like Knowles and UI's Director of Football Ops worked together for many years at Western Michigan. May be one of those situations where he's not necessarily unhappy at OSU, but is willing to listen to a former work colleague and consider a potential offer. Never hurts to understand what your market value is elsewhere.
 
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Looks like Knowles and UI's Director of Football Ops worked together for many years at Western Michigan. May be one of those situations where he's not necessarily unhappy at OSU, but is willing to listen to a former work colleague and consider a potential offer. Never hurts to understand what your market value is elsewhere.
This is the answer. That’s the connection. Confirmed to me by some Illinois fans.

Then throw in a guy currently at Illinois formerly at OSU, named Underwood (who still has some hard feelings towards a guy named Holder). and presto ———— you produce a suggestion to “go look at that DC at OSU” while you’re looking to hire a DC.
 
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Then throw in a guy currently at Illinois formerly at OSU, named Underwood (who still has some hard feelings towards a guy named Holder). and presto ———— you produce a suggestion to “go look at that DC at OSU” while you’re looking to hire a DC.
That’s not a stretch, that’s not a reach, that’s not a leap or a bound. That’s not even a moon landing or even a Mars landing. It’s absurd to think there is any correlation. I have ready some pretty outlandish things on this board lately (Herman for OC - LOL) and this is right up there.

Belima, the AD, nor the DFO give a damn about any alleged beef between a basketball coach and his former AD.

The fact is Knowles took a bad defense and turned them into one of the best in the country. Maybe they thought they had a shot with their prior connections. But to think Underwood is even an afterthought is preposterous.
 

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Asst coaches (and HC's) interview for jobs for various reasons. the conspiracy theories that some fans come up with is comical.
a list, in no particular order:
-stature in the coaching community. some osu fans may not understand the pull that leagues like the B10 has in the coaching ranks. is ill. a hard place to win? absolutely. is osu a hard place to win? absolutely! Ill has money, $120M in 2019. Ill also sponsors 19 NCAA sports. osu's was less than $100M. and sponsors much fewer sports.
-money for the asst.
-some degree of flexibility of choosing his staff
-challenge
-doesn't get along with HC or admin

my point is that it could be any number of reasons. but generally its not some clandestine conspiracy.
Could also be that most of these coaches have agents and any agent worth his salt is going to tell you to interview for most offers because if you refuse to interview enough, you'll soon stop getting offers

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