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CaliforniaCowboy

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Color me extremely pessimistic also. No one you've heard of will be indicted over this. Republicans are cowards, terrified of the media calling them "mean-spirited" or "politically motivated". Most likely it will come down to a statement from parties involved calling it a big "oopsie".

You will hear a lot of bluster and accusations leading up to the 2020 election, and then excuses after that. If they ever actually put a Comey or a Brennan on trial, they no longer have that issue to campaign on.

Bank on this: No one named Clinton or Obama will ever see the inside of a courtroom. You're talking about a civil war there. This is politics we're talking about, not real life.
your view is Civil War, the rest of us are suggesting a Revolutionary War, where even the GOP ruling elites (McConnell, et al) also get railroaded out of DC and give us our country back.
 

Cowboy2U

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your view is Civil War, the rest of us are suggesting a Revolutionary War, where even the GOP ruling elites (McConnell, et al) also get railroaded out of DC and give us our country back.
Love to see it but the Gravy Train is worth to much and apparently too many stoking the engine. Still...
 
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your view is Civil War, the rest of us are suggesting a Revolutionary War, where even the GOP ruling elites (McConnell, et al) also get railroaded out of DC and give us our country back.
The only revolution I would like to see is a Convention of States that imposes term limits and other restrictions on government and political party power. What we actually need is a third party.

The division in this country won't hold much longer. It gets worse every election. I wasn't alive in '68 but it's starting to seem like that.
 

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Color me extremely pessimistic also. No one you've heard of will be indicted over this. Republicans are cowards, terrified of the media calling them "mean-spirited" or "politically motivated". Most likely it will come down to a statement from parties involved calling it a big "oopsie".

You will hear a lot of bluster and accusations leading up to the 2020 election, and then excuses after that. If they ever actually put a Comey or a Brennan on trial, they no longer have that issue to campaign on.

Bank on this: No one named Clinton or Obama will ever see the inside of a courtroom. You're talking about a civil war there. This is politics we're talking about, not real life.
If they put them on trial and they go to jail, trust me plenty of conservatives will be happy to let them campaign on that. You don't get it do you. We want them on trial and in jail for breaking the law. Actually it would be the best thing ever to campaign on.

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Some of y'all have spent too much time in pizzagate chat rooms and it shows.
So what you are saying is that the Democrats should be allowed to continue to fruitlessly spend 10's of millions of dollars of taxpayer money as a diversionary tactic from the crimes of the Obama administration? Gotcha.
 
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If they put them on trial and they go to jail, trust me plenty of conservatives will be happy to let them campaign on that. You don't get it do you. We want them on trial and in jail for breaking the law. Actually it would be the best thing ever to campaign on.

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Nothing about the last 30 years has led me to believe that anyone associated with the Clintons will ever be held accountable for anything. I'd be happy to admit that I'm wrong.
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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The only revolution I would like to see is a Convention of States that imposes term limits and other restrictions on government and political party power. What we actually need is a third party.

The division in this country won't hold much longer. It gets worse every election. I wasn't alive in '68 but it's starting to seem like that.
A "third party" serves no purpose - it's a fools solution. What we need is an awakening of the citizens of their role in ensuring our liberty... if that "awakening" comes through a new party then great, but it will be at the expense of another party - as always.

It just never ceases to amaze me that this country has existed for over two centuries with two political parties, and only now have the citizenry become so enlightened as to have discovered the solution to our "problems"..... yet another party. Yeah, that's it alright. Another party will solve everything!!! SMH

I've given it lots and lots of thought, and the "best" that I can conceive from a third party would be either a dilution of one party causing the other party to always be in control, or continual elections where the "House" decides a president for us. Neither option appeals to me.

What happens if no presidential candidate gets 270 Electoral votes? If no candidate receives a majority of Electoral votes, the House of Representatives elects the President from the 3 Presidential candidates who received the most Electoral votes.

and .... it was much, much, much, much worse in the 60's. By comparison, what is happening now is tepid and barely registers on the societal meter. The 60's was about freedom, not about one party over another - it was about getting the government to listen to the people - which is the polar opposite of what is occurring in current society. The riotous hostile people of today are demanding more government oppression and tyranny. Go figure. How in the hell could this ever happen in America.
 

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If they put them on trial and they go to jail, trust me plenty of conservatives will be happy to let them campaign on that. You don't get it do you. We want them on trial and in jail for breaking the law. Actually it would be the best thing ever to campaign on.

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Nothing about the last 30 years has led me to believe that anyone associated with the Clintons will ever be held accountable for anything. I'd be happy to admit that I'm wrong.
I would love it if you were wrong. I know for a fact because I've got a brother who is been in military and had security clearances, that she broke so many laws it is unbelievable that she has not had anything done to her.

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Cowboy2U

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Article 5 Convention of States - We the People don't need "them".
And what's your answer for success, torches and pitchforks? Ain't gonna happen. Deep state too firmly entrenched and waaaaaaaaaaay to many at sub levels that are virtually impossible to ferret out. Would love to see these scumbags in prison but just having a hard time seeing how hrc and bo could be fitted for prison orange. How do you sell 20% of our yellow cake to Putin and still deposit millions in the clinton foundation with nobody saying a word...
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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And what's your answer for success, torches and pitchforks? ..
the answer is an Article 5 Convention of States - that is actually the only option outside of armed revolt, and the option provided to us by the Framers to help prevent armed revolt.

The least we can do as citizens of this great nation today, citizens that do not seem to want to be bothered with taking the time to understand the underpinnings of their liberty, the least we can do is take the time to understand what the framers of this amazing document did for us. When the framers agreed on September 15th, 1787 to change the text in Article V, they in effect were telegraphing a message to us in 2019, a message to us showing us the way back inside the fence of the Constitution, a way back to what Thomas Jefferson called the “chains of the Constitution.”

We owe George Mason and the other framers a huge debt for this...they had the foresight to understand first of all, that we needed an orderly process in which to amend our Constitution (“regular and Constitutional way than to trust to chance and violence” – Mason 11 June).


The 232-year-old message from Col. George Mason
https://conventionofstates.com/news/the-228-year-old-message-from-col-george-mason
 
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Nothing about the last 30 years has led me to believe that anyone associated with the Clintons will ever be held accountable for anything. I'd be happy to admit that I'm wrong.
How about losing the 2016 presidential election, to a nut like Trump on top of that. Seems like a pretty strong rebuke of the Clintons to me. I don't understand why all of these discussions devolve into "someone is going to prison". We should all be grateful and hopeful that the transfer of power in this country does not include jailing the losers. As much as I despise Trump, I sincerely hope he is not prosecuted for anything. Not to say any of them are above the law, but all of them that have achieved this level have cut corners. The ability to abdicate peacefully is maybe the most important pillar of our country.
 

CaliforniaCowboy

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How about losing the 2016 presidential election, to a nut like Trump on top of that. Seems like a pretty strong rebuke of the Clintons to me. I don't understand why all of these discussions devolve into "someone is going to prison". .
....because ordinary citizens did go to prison for doing far less. I don't have anything against Clinton personally, other than there cannot be two different applications of law in our country.
 
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....because ordinary citizens did go to prison for doing far less. I don't have anything against Clinton personally, other than there cannot be two different applications of law in our country.
Of course there can, and there always has been and always will be. The golden rule, those with the gold, make the rules. You sound like a liberal if you think justice is ever going to or has ever been applied evenly. We can certainly strive for that, but regardless of where we end up on that score, the issue of prosecuting the losers of our elections for whatever offenses the opposition (those now in power) decide to pursue is bad precedent, and I am quite happy to let Clinton, Trump, or whoever else go off into the sunset without criminal prosecution to preserve our democratic integrity.
 

Cowboy2U

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You'll have to dumb that down for me...short of storming govt offices with the scum at gunpoint, what exactly are you saying? You seriously think the socialists and right that can't be removed from a federal job will "step down" because our constitution is being used as a doormat? Trump is a businessman and has shown us a reason we don't have to accept this bullshit anymore. Exactly why the socialists hate him...they are too selfish to compete. Trump obviously has his negs but in comparison to rotten hrc and comrade barack we came out way on the high side. so, in simple terms you say what?