Is Cannabis Dangerous in Adolescence ?

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llcoolw

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Thank you....I think we now understand where you are coming from.
You're welcome. I think you've known for years by now, though. I've got to say since full on recreation here, I've been proven wrong on several issues. Mainly, I disagree that THC is a pain reliver. I always thought it made me more aware of pain. Hence making it no better or worse. I don't know who started it and it's very bizzare but there's a strain that works on pain. Not a CBD but a tincture of high potent levels. It's in gummy bears and you'd think there would be a buzz with it but there's none, except a numbness where you chewed it. Lasts 5-6 hours. You may not want to hear this but I'm thinking of switching the Advil out for these.
 

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You're welcome. I think you've known for years by now, though. I've got to say since full on recreation here, I've been proven wrong on several issues. Mainly, I disagree that THC is a pain reliver. I always thought it made me more aware of pain. Hence making it no better or worse. I don't know who started it and it's very bizzare but there's a strain that works on pain. Not a CBD but a tincture of high potent levels. It's in gummy bears and you'd think there would be a buzz with it but there's none, except a numbness where you chewed it. Lasts 5-6 hours. You may not want to hear this but I'm thinking of switching the Advil out for these.
With any pain reliever there is a lot of individual variation. I just saw someone today who told me he cannot take Percocet because it keeps him awake and does not help his pain.
But, on a population standpoint THC clearly has pain relieving properties. Nothing works for everyone, but it does work for many.
 

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Steross, what prompted my report was my experience working with a Stillwater internist and pain clinic physician who deals with addiction problems. He asked me to speak to some OSU student employees whom he said didn't seem to understand the dangers of marijuana. Secondly I have a grandson who is a member of an OSU fraternity. He told me that he estimates that 40% of his fraternity use marijuana on a regular basis. I offered to speak to them. But he told me they are unlikely to listen to me or anyone else. Their motto he said is: "I'm not here for a long time, I'm here for a good time".
Maybe you could ask your pain specialist friend who fears the addiction problems of marijuana what he thinks of this, also from JAMA:

JAMA Internal Medicine


Bottom Line: States that implemented medical marijuana laws appear to have lower annual opioid analgesic overdoses death rates (both from prescription pain killers and illicit drugs such as heroin) than states without such laws although the reason why is not clear.

Author: Marcus A. Bachhuber, M.D., of the Philadelphia Veterans Affairs Medical Center, and colleagues.

Background: Prescriptions for opioid painkillers for chronic pain have increased in the United States and so have overdose deaths. However, less attention has been focused on how the availability of alternative nonopioid treatment, such as medical marijuana, may affect overdose rates.

How the Study Was Conducted: The authors examined the implementation of state medical marijuana laws and opioid analgesic overdose deaths in the United States between 1999 and 2010. Three states had medical marijuana laws prior to 1999, 10 states implemented laws between 1999 and 2010 and nine states had laws that went into effect after 2010, which was beyond the study period. The authors also considered New Jersey’s law effective after the study period because it took effect in the last quarter of 2010. The authors analyzed state laws and death-certificate data.

Results: States with medical marijuana laws had a 24.8 percent lower average annual opioid overdose death rate compared to states without such laws. In 2010, that translated to about 1,729 fewer deaths than expected. The years after implementation of medical marijuana laws also were associated with lower overdose death rates that generally got stronger over time: year 1 (-19.9 percent), year 2 (-25.2 percent), year 3 (-23.6 percent), year 4 (-20.2 percent), year 5 (-33.7 percent) and year 6 (-33.3 percent).
 

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With any pain reliever there is a lot of individual variation. I just saw someone today who told me he cannot take Percocet because it keeps him awake and does not help his pain.
But, on a population standpoint THC clearly has pain relieving properties. Nothing works for everyone, but it does work for many.
Just like our other poster, my experiences told me no way, it's BS. I'm broad stroking as well.
Yet I'm impressed with what they're marketing under pain relief so far.
 

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Again, how do you know? You can have mexi brick weed and smoke a whole bag and still be more straight than drinking one beer. We have sativa and indica. There are millions of strains between the two. When they're grown, lots of growers will use fruit pulp, juice and peels in the compost process as well as adding new strains. There's pot that tastes just like every fruit there is. There's some that taste like Girl Scout cookies. Personally I found a great orange strain that's a salad dressing that is just perfect with a ribeye dinner. Sorry you don't like it but there people out there who don't drink that still want to catch a buzz.
dufass.... you're arguing that you don't use to catch a buzz... and then ending with, you just want to catch a buzz.

we know the answers, and we know why --- stop the pretense already
 

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Circle jerk is old.

Poster A: Posts opinion

Poster B: Invalidates(they seem to think) Poster A's opinion with some pithy sad excuse for whit, but fail actually make a point igniting a mindlessly repetitive circle jerk. Nevertheless, it is a somewhat more intelligent and clever circle jerk than Twitter most of the time.

BTW, Poster A & Poster B resolve said circle jerk without the happy ending we all would prefer with neither party shifting even the slightest in their views. More often, they have dug in on their view.

That said, carry on.
 

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dufass.... you're arguing that you don't use to catch a buzz... and then ending with, you just want to catch a buzz.

we know the answers, and we know why --- stop the pretense already
You are such a moron. He literally says, sometimes he wants pain relief, sometimes he wants to pair certain flavors with food, and sometimes he also likes to catch a buzz. All of those are different than only getting high, which your partner in stupidity @GumbyFromPokeyLand said is the only reason people use pot. You lost again, move along now.
 

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Circle jerk is old.

Poster A: Posts opinion

Poster B: Invalidates(they seem to think) Poster A's opinion with some pithy sad excuse for whit, but fail actually make a point igniting a mindlessly repetitive circle jerk. Nevertheless, it is a somewhat more intelligent and clever circle jerk than Twitter most of the time.

BTW, Poster A & Poster B resolve said circle jerk without the happy ending we all would prefer with neither party shifting even the slightest in their views. More often, they have dug in on their view.

That said, carry on.
Agree.

So, what is the solution? Stay away? Try to avoid certain posters? It really is sad when you look back at what the majority of posts were like 8-10 years ago to now.
 

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Agree.

So, what is the solution? Stay away? Try to avoid certain posters? It really is sad when you look back at what the majority of posts were like 8-10 years ago to now.
Its pretty indicative of the times. The number of good conversations has gone down significantly and the name calling has gone up. Its not just on OP.com, its everywhere.

I am contributing to the latter here, so this will be my last post on this topic for awhile.
 
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dufass.... you're arguing that you don't use to catch a buzz... and then ending with, you just want to catch a buzz.

we know the answers, and we know why --- stop the pretense already
You are such a moron. He literally says, sometimes he wants pain relief, sometimes he wants to pair certain flavors with food, and sometimes he also likes to catch a buzz. All of those are different than only getting high, which your partner in stupidity @GumbyFromPokeyLand said is the only reason people use pot. You lost again, move along now.
Recreational use is about getting high. Only a stoner would argue otherwise. Comparing wine pairing with pot pairing? I’ve never laughed sooooo hard!

Let me see, do I get the party burrito, or the muchaco taco with my joint?



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Agree.

So, what is the solution? Stay away? Try to avoid certain posters? It really is sad when you look back at what the majority of posts were like 8-10 years ago to now.
I think the circle jerk was always a real part of this, and I used to participate frequently. I just feel like it is the default. I used to see very good conversations about differing topics on here. Hell, I'd come here to bounce ideas around on something I wasn't sure of because of the variety of perspectives that were available. I find that to be quite useful. Now, I drop by to check the memes and peek at the conversations.

Solution? It is a personal level thing, IMO. I can either completely detach(I pretty much have but isn't really a solution) or simply resolve to personally be less given to the knee jerk "you're wrong because..." rhetoric.

I know enough to be dangerous, and I have mountains to learn. I realize some of you are quite well educated on a variety of topics that I'd have to play massive catch up on.

Hell, there is at least 2 doctors and a pharmacist typically involved in any discussion involving the medical(or otherwise) uses of drugs. I will generally defer to those of you who deal with this on that level versus myself who has had a longstanding personal disgust for marijuana. I try not to default to "it's bad no matter what" and listen to the available evidence.

Anecdote: It helps me to do that. My oldest daughter has massive whole body migraines nearly everyday, and suffers severe anxiety. She was on some pretty strong stuff. I don't know the doses and names, but I know that she was on a nerve blocker that was 3times the dose her grandfather was using post back surgery. We've stopped that, she is now using Medical Marijuana, and my wife can grow it to keep cost down. I won't pretend some miracle has happened, but I don't think think the long term effects will be anything like what she was risking on the other stuff she was taking. My point is that reading up on some of the threads here has helped me be more open to options I would have defaulted to no on in the past.

I guess it comes down to basic respect and not feeling like I gotta win the gotcha game anymore.
 
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Maybe you could ask your pain specialist friend who fears the addiction problems of marijuana what he thinks of this, also from JAMA:

JAMA Internal Medicine

Bottom Line: States that implemented medical marijuana laws appear to have lower annual opioid analgesic overdoses death rates (both from prescription pain killers and illicit drugs such as heroin) than states without such laws although the reason why is not clear.

Author: Marcus A. Bachhuber, M.D., of the Philadelphia Veterans Affairs Medical Center, and colleagues.

Background: Prescriptions for opioid painkillers for chronic pain have increased in the United States and so have overdose deaths. However, less attention has been focused on how the availability of alternative nonopioid treatment, such as medical marijuana, may affect overdose rates.

How the Study Was Conducted: The authors examined the implementation of state medical marijuana laws and opioid analgesic overdose deaths in the United States between 1999 and 2010. Three states had medical marijuana laws prior to 1999, 10 states implemented laws between 1999 and 2010 and nine states had laws that went into effect after 2010, which was beyond the study period. The authors also considered New Jersey’s law effective after the study period because it took effect in the last quarter of 2010. The authors analyzed state laws and death-certificate data.

Results: States with medical marijuana laws had a 24.8 percent lower average annual opioid overdose death rate compared to states without such laws. In 2010, that translated to about 1,729 fewer deaths than expected. The years after implementation of medical marijuana laws also were associated with lower overdose death rates that generally got stronger over time: year 1 (-19.9 percent), year 2 (-25.2 percent), year 3 (-23.6 percent), year 4 (-20.2 percent), year 5 (-33.7 percent) and year 6 (-33.3 percent).
Steross...my original post was about potential dangers of recreational marijuana in adolescents. It was not about pain management in general or opioids or about even about the potential of medical marijuana and its various compounds to relieve symptoms. I was impressed in the medical meeting that you and I attended
by presentations showing several ways marijuana may be useful to relieve patient's symptoms. But as you
and I know virtually all medications have side effects. Some are very serious. Physicians must always think of benefits vs. harms when prescribing any medication. Marijuana is no different than any other drug. My concern is that too many youngsters are using marijuana for recreational purposes without the slightest
understanding of the risk they are taking in injuring their young brains.
 

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dufass.... you're arguing that you don't use to catch a buzz... and then ending with, you just want to catch a buzz.

we know the answers, and we know why --- stop the pretense already
Not arguing anything. Alcohol has proofs and pot has THC content. Buzz drinking isn't the same as throwing up blitzed drunk and a 30% gummy stone isn't near a 5% gummy.
 

llcoolw

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Recreational use is about getting high. Only a stoner would argue otherwise. Comparing wine pairing with pot pairing? I’ve never laughed sooooo hard!

Let me see, do I get the party burrito, or the muchaco taco with my joint?



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Funny. I feel the exact way about people who drink poison.
 
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Recreational use is about getting high. Only a stoner would argue otherwise. Comparing wine pairing with pot pairing? I’ve never laughed sooooo hard!

Let me see, do I get the party burrito, or the muchaco taco with my joint?



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Funny. I feel the exact way about people who drink poison.
You stoners and your witty retorts crack me up.


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