Impeachment or...CIA Coup?

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pokes16

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Crazy Loony Tooners for the gangster in the White House!
You folks are either stupid or more stupid!
Fact! Trump is a whoremonger. fact Trump is a terrible businessman he went broke in the casino business. And every other business he’s dabbled in. Fact! Trump dodged draft in 65. Fact! Trump has cheated on all of his wives.
But if he’s your hero? Then good for you. It just shows your personal moral character. If you support this guy you’re just like him.
AOC is that you???
 
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Thank you for proving my point. What does it matter whether it was days or months before the requirement was changed. For decades you had to have first-hand knowledge to make a whistle blower claim but not until Trump was president and the whacked out left started their multiple fraudulent campaigns to get rid of him was this requirement secretly changed. I guarantee you if the identity of the whistleblower is revealed (it is required by law that the president be able to face his accuser) it will be shown to be a political operative and a pawn of the Democrats.

Keep drinking the Koolaide, Ol’ Adam and Nancy are counting on you!
This is wrong. Trump’s appointed ICIG said the form that was used was from over a year ago from May 2018. It had 2 boxes. 1 for 1st hand and another for 2nd hand. Both boxes were checked. The ICIG reviewed and investigated and found the WB to be credible & the allegations to be of urgent concern. Trump’s DNI put has hand on a bible and in front of all America said the WB was credible.
 
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Asking the Ukrainian president to do him a favor to help him get reelected by smearing his political rival is against the law. It’s not a new law. It’s an impeachable offense. All the other stuff you hit on in your posed is Ball hockey.
But surely, Trump and his supporters will tell you he was only joking or being sarcastic the same as when he asked Russia to try to find Clinton's deleted emails. Remember Trump's sarcastic response to Greta's speech at the U. N? It's no impeachable offense to be that way. Besides, even if unlawful, considering how much Trump supporters love and look up to Trump, they surely think he has become such an outstanding president that there are times now when a president's unlawful actions should be above the law. Right, Trump lovers?
 
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You don’t need to be a supporter of President Trump to be concerned about the efforts to remove him from office. Last week House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced impeachment proceedings against the President over a phone call made to the President of Ukraine. According to the White House record of the call, the President asked his Ukrainian counterpart to look into whether there is any evidence of Ukrainian meddling in the 2016 election and then mentioned that a lot of people were talking about how former US Vice President Joe Biden stopped the prosecution of his son who was under investigation for corruption in Ukraine.

Democrats, who spent more than two years convinced that “Russiagate” would enable them to remove Trump from office only to have their hopes dashed by the Mueller Report, now believe they have their smoking gun in this phone call.

It this about politics? Yes. But there may be more to it than that.

It may appear that the Democratic Party, furious over Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss, is the driving force behind this ongoing attempt to remove Donald Trump from office, but at every turn we see the fingerprints of the CIA and its allies in the US deep state.

In August 2016, a former acting director of the CIA, Mike Morell, wrote an extraordinary article in the New York Times accusing Donald Trump of being an “agent of the Russian Federation.” Morell was clearly using his intelligence career as a way of bolstering his claim that Trump was a Russian spy – after all, the CIA should know such a thing! But the claim was a lie.

Former CIA director John Brennan accused President Trump of “treason” and of “being in the pocket of Putin” for meeting with the Russian president in Helsinki and accepting his word that Russia did not meddle in the US election. To this day there has yet to be any evidence presented that the Russian government did interfere. Brennan openly called on “patriotic” Republicans to act against this “traitor.”

Brennan and his deep state counterparts James Comey at the FBI and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper launched an operation, using what we now know is the fake Steele dossier, to spy on the Trump presidential campaign and even attempt to entrap Trump campaign employees.

Notice a pattern here?

Now we hear that the latest trigger for impeachment is a CIA officer assigned to the White House who filed a “whistleblower” complaint against the president over something he heard from someone else that the president said in the Ukraine phone call.

Shockingly, according to multiple press reports the rules for CIA whistleblowing were recently changed, dropping the requirement that the whistleblower have direct, first-hand knowledge of the wrongdoing. Just before this complaint was filed, the rule-change allowed hearsay or second-hand information to be accepted. That seems strange.

As it turns out, the CIA “whistleblower” lurking around the White House got the important things wrong, as there was no quid pro quo discussed and there was no actual request to investigate Biden or his son.

The Democrats have suddenly come out in praise of whistleblowers – well not exactly. Pelosi still wants to prosecute actual whistleblower Ed Snowden. But she’s singing the praises of this fake CIA “whistleblower.”

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer once warned Trump that if “you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.” It’s hard not to ask whether this is a genuine impeachment effort…or a CIA coup!
Copyright 2019 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2019/september/30/impeachment-or-cia-coup/
Asking the Ukrainian president to do him a favor to help him get reelected by smearing his political rival is against the law. It’s not a new law. It’s an impeachable offense. All the other stuff you hit on in your posed is Ball hockey.
Trump did not ask the Ukrainian President “ to do him a favor to help him get reelected by smearing his political rival” as you stated. Trump asked a “favor” of the Ukrainian President to look into foreign interference in the 2016 election. Later in the conversation Trump asked the Ukrainian President to investigate Biden’s role in the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor. Trump did not request information on Biden, and did not mention the upcoming election. Both asks are perfectly legal.

I guess maybe you’ve been listening to the Dems or media instead of actually reading the transcript.


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Fox's Jeanine Pirro says that the CIA is “attempting a coup against the United States president”
Written by Media Matters Staff
Published
10/11/19 9:58 AM EDT
From the October 11 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends
BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): Now this whistleblower wants to testify but in writing, behind closed doors.
JEANINE PIRRO (FOX NEWS HOST): In writing, behind closed doors. And they said worst case scenario, they want to -- if they have to listen to him, they want to change his voice. I mean, give me a break. Who is this guy? Number one, he's a CIA person, OK? What we're experiencing right now is the CIA, an intelligence agency, attempting a coup against the United States president. And that's what is going on here. This is intelligence agencies trying to take out a president. And you know, we have -- the bottom line is, who is he afraid of? They always try to make themselves victims. Everybody's a victim. You know, I was a prosecutor for 150 years. Every criminal I ever tried was a victim. You're not a victim. You need to come out. You know, Barack Obama, I was just reading this morning, he fired whistleblowers. Now in this administration, we're not even entitled to know who they are.
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PIRRO: So now what we've got, is we got the president, who is now the subject of a coup. He's entitled to due process. He's entitled to have his attorney in that room. He's entitled to cross-examination. He's entitled to present witnesses. So what the left is doing, is they've got this in the intelligence committee. Why? Because it's closed. We're not entitled to hear anything of what they're saying in that committee. And so now what we hear are little leaks from little Adam Schiff, who comes out and says, “Oh this is this a problem, that's a problem." And so of course the administration should say, hey look, you want a real impeachment? You vote it.
BRIAN KILMEADE (CO-HOST): Now this whistleblower wants to testify but in writing, behind closed doors.

JEANINE PIRRO (FOX NEWS HOST): In writing, behind closed doors. And they said worst case scenario, they want to -- if they have to listen to him, they want to change his voice. I mean, give me a break. Who is this guy? Number one, he's a CIA person, OK? What we're experiencing right now is the CIA, an intelligence agency, attempting a coup against the United States president. And that's what is going on here. This is intelligence agencies trying to take out a president. And you know, we have -- the bottom line is, who is he afraid of? They always try to make themselves victims. Everybody's a victim. You know, I was a prosecutor for 150 years. Every criminal I ever tried was a victim. You're not a victim. You need to come out. You know, Barack Obama, I was just reading this morning, he fired whistleblowers. Now in this administration, we're not even entitled to know who they are.

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PIRRO: So now what we've got, is we got the president, who is now the subject of a coup. He's entitled to due process. He's entitled to have his attorney in that room. He's entitled to cross-examination. He's entitled to present witnesses. So what the left is doing, is they've got this in the intelligence committee. Why? Because it's closed. We're not entitled to hear anything of what they're saying in that committee. And so now what we hear are little leaks from little Adam Schiff, who comes out and says, “Oh this is this a problem, that's a problem." And so of course the administration should say, hey look, you want a real impeachment? You vote it.


https://www.mediamatters.org/trump-...ays-cia-attempting-coup-against-united-states
 
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Trump did not ask the Ukrainian President “ to do him a favor to help him get reelected by smearing his political rival” as you stated. Trump asked a “favor” of the Ukrainian President to look into foreign interference in the 2016 election. Later in the conversation Trump asked the Ukrainian President to investigate Biden’s role in the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor. Trump did not request information on Biden, and did not mention the upcoming election. Both asks are perfectly legal.

I guess maybe you’ve been listening to the Dems or media instead of actually reading the transcript.


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This is not the transcript. It clearly states at the top of page 1 it is a memorandum. Further at the bottom of page 1 it states again that it is a memo & not verbatim.

Given that the WH knew there was a WB and likely knew their sources were from within the WH & what they were alleging this was an after the fact CYA. Look at the words attributed to the Ukr Pres. Very Trumpy. As we have seen time and again Trump likes to dictate his own responses. Then the lawyers get them and clean up the edges. Hence the Memo title and footnote. This is basically a “we never said it was The Transcript” in case the real read out gets released.

Ds need to quit being so public and just do their job and investigate. If the facts necessitate impeach. If not drop it.

Rs need to quit trying to front run especially as more people get arrested and more facts come out.
 
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Link to complete original transcript as the best I can tell. Interesting how all those reporting on story made it very difficult to see the entire document.

https://www.scribd.com/document/427398876/Unclassified-Call-Record-President-Trump-and-Ukraine#from_embed
This is the exact same way it was presented on a Fox News article. I’m wondering if it’s the way it’s housed on the original uploaded release site. No fault of anyone and certainly not nefarious.
 

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This is the exact same way it was presented on a Fox News article. I’m wondering if it’s the way it’s housed on the original uploaded release site. No fault of anyone and certainly not nefarious.
Google and go to the first 10 responses and you’ll see for yourself how each news agency spun the story to fit their narrative. Fox did it. CNN did it. MSNBC did it. ABC did it. NBC did it and cbs. Click their links to the original and you’ll see it’s not all there in its entirety. Each one picked and chose a sentence or two and wrote there stories around it. Left, right or center. It’s tiring trying to find the truth. And I’m still not sure I have.
 
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Google and go to the first 10 responses and you’ll see for yourself how each news agency spun the story to fit their narrative. Fox did it. CNN did it. MSNBC did it. ABC did it. NBC did it and cbs. Click their links to the original and you’ll see it’s not all there in its entirety. Each one picked and chose a sentence or two and wrote there stories around it. Left, right or center. It’s tiring trying to find the truth. And I’m still not sure I have.
I have never had trouble finding the entire memo. I found it on fox and it was tough to read through just as you stated. The problem is the WH put this out as a way to tamp down. Now that we have arrests this whole thing will unravel for what it is and for the first time trump has lost the first punch and is trying to scramble. It’s been remarkable how he has controlled everything to this point. This time feels different and the arrests point that way.
 

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I have never had trouble finding the entire memo. I found it on fox and it was tough to read through just as you stated. The problem is the WH put this out as a way to tamp down. Now that we have arrests this whole thing will unravel for what it is and for the first time trump has lost the first punch and is trying to scramble. It’s been remarkable how he has controlled everything to this point. This time feels different and the arrests point that way.
Remember this is the guy who could shoot somebody in the face in Times Square and not lose a voter.
 
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"Partisan Hack Poke"
You can call me whatever you want. You don’t know me but in the end I will have stood on the opposite side of you & the person you support who is a serial adulterer, racist, bigot, con man, seller of American blood for personal gain, blasphemer, and the most unconstitutional president.

So yeah I’m good, I’ll stay on this side but thanks for trying.