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Should Trump be pardon?

  • Yes, prosecute him

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Cimarron

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#61
His inability to keep his mouth shut and get out of the US economy's way and let it grow

His willingness as POTUS to go directly after and attack private US business on a regular basis

The fact he knows that his tariffs and possible trade war will hurt US farmers, but actually said US farmers will understand
HUH?

By the way, he was elected in part to create some chaos in Washington. He wasn't elected because he was one of them and who hasn't said (including you I suspect) that things needed to be shaken up in Washington?
 

Deere Poke

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#62
The fact that he signed the Omnibus spending bill at spending levels even higher than Obama wanted. Even with GOP control of the WH, Senate, and House

His inability to keep his mouth shut and get out of the US economy's way and let it grow

His willingness as POTUS to go directly after and attack private US business on a regular basis

The fact he knows that his tariffs and possible trade war will hurt US farmers, but actually said US farmers will understand

His inability to put the right people in the right positions in his Admin that have been truly vetted correctly and huge turn over rate in his Admin that leads to inability to craft direction or gain traction to actually accomplish anything...his admin has had wife beaters and convicted pedophiles serving in WH positions

His complete lack of accepting any leadership role in Repealing Obamacare...which is still with us.

Utilizing the US Military to try to enforce immigration laws or as Construction workers.

His complete lack of knowledge of enforcing his own words...Like labeling Qatar a state sponsor of terror 8-10 months ago and then inviting the leader of Qatar to the WH this week

The fact that back in the Day he told Playboy in an interview that he said he never felt the need to ask for God's forgiveness (which tells me a lot about this man and his complete disregard for faith)

His complete embrace of impulse and reactionary actions instead of strategic and planned actions. His leadership style creates chaos even in the smallest of events in which none is needed.

And a HUGE thing for me is his inability to craft a strong and detailed message which sends a clear and consistent message....like yesterday tweeting that Missiles were coming, and today tweeting they may never go. How does the US take a leadership position in the world when the US leader sends two very different messages to the world less than 24 hrs from each other.....boy that cried wolf.
So what you are saying is you don't have a problem with the results he is achieving. You just don't like his style.
 

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#63
The fact that he signed the Omnibus spending bill at spending levels even higher than Obama wanted. Even with GOP control of the WH, Senate, and House

His inability to keep his mouth shut and get out of the US economy's way and let it grow

His willingness as POTUS to go directly after and attack private US business on a regular basis

The fact he knows that his tariffs and possible trade war will hurt US farmers, but actually said US farmers will understand

His inability to put the right people in the right positions in his Admin that have been truly vetted correctly and huge turn over rate in his Admin that leads to inability to craft direction or gain traction to actually accomplish anything...his admin has had wife beaters and convicted pedophiles serving in WH positions

His complete lack of accepting any leadership role in Repealing Obamacare...which is still with us.

Utilizing the US Military to try to enforce immigration laws or as Construction workers.

His complete lack of knowledge of enforcing his own words...Like labeling Qatar a state sponsor of terror 8-10 months ago and then inviting the leader of Qatar to the WH this week

The fact that back in the Day he told Playboy in an interview that he said he never felt the need to ask for God's forgiveness (which tells me a lot about this man and his complete disregard for faith)

His complete embrace of impulse and reactionary actions instead of strategic and planned actions. His leadership style creates chaos even in the smallest of events in which none is needed.

And a HUGE thing for me is his inability to craft a strong and detailed message which sends a clear and consistent message....like yesterday tweeting that Missiles were coming, and today tweeting they may never go. How does the US take a leadership position in the world when the US leader sends two very different messages to the world less than 24 hrs from each other.....boy that cried wolf.
You mean like this?

https://twitter.com/blakehounshell/status/984422763778789376?s=19
 

Binman4OSU

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So what you are saying is you don't have a problem with the results he is achieving. You just don't like his style.
I think the results achieved would be MUCH higher if Pence was in there. Trump has a very unique ability to torpedo his own success instead of letting it blossom and grow to its full potential.

I do know that the huge tax cuts given and the outrageous spending bill signed are going to create HUGE issues down the line. Historic cutting of Tax revenue to Washington coupled with Historic increase in spending.....just doesn't math
 

Deere Poke

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I think the results achieved would be MUCH higher if Pence was in there. Trump has a very unique ability to torpedo his own success instead of letting it blossom and grow to its full potential.

I do know that the huge tax cuts given and the outrageous spending bill signed are going to create HUGE issues down the line. Historic cutting of Tax revenue to Washington coupled with Historic increase in spending.....just doesn't math
Pence wouldn't have gone to the extremes Trump has on regulations. Probably wouldn't have gotten the tax cuts through either.

I agree the spending bill was a major screw up he should have vetoed it. Many times tax cuts lead to increased revenue because they create growth and jobs. More people working and fewer people collecting unemployment makes the math work. That is happening right now.
 

Cimarron

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#67
The fact that he signed the Omnibus spending bill at spending levels even higher than Obama wanted. Even with GOP control of the WH, Senate, and House

His inability to keep his mouth shut and get out of the US economy's way and let it grow

His willingness as POTUS to go directly after and attack private US business on a regular basis

The fact he knows that his tariffs and possible trade war will hurt US farmers, but actually said US farmers will understand

His inability to put the right people in the right positions in his Admin that have been truly vetted correctly and huge turn over rate in his Admin that leads to inability to craft direction or gain traction to actually accomplish anything...his admin has had wife beaters and convicted pedophiles serving in WH positions

His complete lack of accepting any leadership role in Repealing Obamacare...which is still with us.

Utilizing the US Military to try to enforce immigration laws or as Construction workers.

His complete lack of knowledge of enforcing his own words...Like labeling Qatar a state sponsor of terror 8-10 months ago and then inviting the leader of Qatar to the WH this week

The fact that back in the Day he told Playboy in an interview that he said he never felt the need to ask for God's forgiveness (which tells me a lot about this man and his complete disregard for faith)

His complete embrace of impulse and reactionary actions instead of strategic and planned actions. His leadership style creates chaos even in the smallest of events in which none is needed.

And a HUGE thing for me is his inability to craft a strong and detailed message which sends a clear and consistent message....like yesterday tweeting that Missiles were coming, and today tweeting they may never go. How does the US take a leadership position in the world when the US leader sends two very different messages to the world less than 24 hrs from each other.....boy that cried wolf.

Possibly more important for cattlemen in the short term, however, is what China left off its list – hinds and offal.

China spends about $1 billion annually on U.S. animal hides to make shoes, car interiors and furniture upholstery. For comparison, the U.S. Meat Export Federation said beef exports to China in the second half of 2017 (when china lifted its ban) totaled 3,020 metric tons valued at $31 million. In other words, the Chinese hide market last year was 33 times greater than the beef they purchased.

https://www.drovers.com/article/tou...ycFlISFFNcU1GZnlDTG1hbkVFaHBDR0JHXC9TUEgifQ==
 

Cimarron

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#68
Pence wouldn't have gone to the extremes Trump has on regulations. Probably wouldn't have gotten the tax cuts through either.

I agree the spending bill was a major screw up he should have vetoed it. Many times tax cuts lead to increased revenue because they create growth and jobs. More people working and fewer people collecting unemployment makes the math work. That is happening right now.
Veto ? What was the vote in Congress?
 

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#69
Deep state and dark state are exactly the same, both are framed to dump our Constitutional rights in favor of a few Socialist/Communist/Nazi scum trying to dominate a free Democratic society.
Please refer all future queries pertaining to the dark state or deep state to @Quantum. Thank you.
 

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I think the results achieved would be MUCH higher if Pence was in there. Trump has a very unique ability to torpedo his own success instead of letting it blossom and grow to its full potential.

I do know that the huge tax cuts given and the outrageous spending bill signed are going to create HUGE issues down the line. Historic cutting of Tax revenue to Washington coupled with Historic increase in spending.....just doesn't math
Not in new math it doesn't...but in economic math tax cuts create wealth and investment that didn't exist prior to them...Increases in spending are indeed a problem BEFORE that growth shows up...but, make no mistake, it will and is showing up in the economy (I.e. the tax cuts).
 

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The fact that back in the Day he told Playboy in an interview that he said he never felt the need to ask for God's forgiveness (which tells me a lot about this man and his complete disregard for faith)
Oh please, like Pence hasn't done the exact same thing.





:p
 

Deere Poke

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Not every fight is worth fighting, esp if you’re going to lose.
That one was worth losing if they had the votes to over turn. Lets everyone know he is opposed to the spending.

I don't think they had the votes to overturn a veto anyway. Trump was being rational and wanted to make sure the government was financed and wouldn't shut down. I don't like it but I don't disagree with it either.
 

Cimarron

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#79
That one was worth losing if they had the votes to over turn. Lets everyone know he is opposed to the spending.

I don't think they had the votes to overturn a veto anyway. Trump was being rational and wanted to make sure the government was financed and wouldn't shut down. I don't like it but I don't disagree with it either.
65 - 32
 

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I would feel 9000% more comfortable with Pence running the show right now
I am not a fan of Pence but I agree 100%. We may have different views on somethings but he is not an idiot and won't hurt the country, you can't say that about Trump.