FBI raids Michael Cohen's office (Trump personal Lawyer)

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And the whole time you are doing this, you are also doing things to reduce the power of the executive branch. Makes perfect sense. Especially when all the non autocrats before you were doing anything and everything they could to increase the power of the executive branch.
Too vague.

And, the claim is not that he wants a perennially powerful executive branch after he is done. I'm talking about things he is doing to help himself. I don't know what you are talking about but working to weaken the office longer term would not surprise me at all.
 

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Too vague.

And, the claim is not that he wants a perennially powerful executive branch after he is done. I'm talking about things he is doing to help himself. I don't know what you are talking about but working to weaken the office longer term would not surprise me at all.
What exactly is the man doing to help himself? I must be missing it. His net worth is falling like a rock in the water. He's being publicly called out and embarrassed for every little infraction he has done in his life. He has a guy investigating him looking for a crime any crime.

If he was doubling his net worth and controlling the world I would get what you are saying but he's not. Is he setting up some kind of corrupt foundation to launder money through that I don't know about?

All I see is a guy that's in over his head wanting to help the country for future generations. You can agree or disagree with his methods. Not going to fight about that. To me it looks like he is trying to make the government look and work more like the constitution laid it out. Sadly a huge percent of people don't want that.
 
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Let's look at this from another direction, who cares whom slept with the Trumpster? Are we going to investigate Jeter and Nicholson for their hush payments? He wasn't even in office when this affair occurred. Hannity is a sad human and I'm not sure he even believes himself.
 

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Especially when the atheist has already used misquoted Scripture to attempt to discredit you from a book they believe is a fairy tale.

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I've always wondered, who is it that determines which quoting of scripture is the correct version and which is a misquote? The opinions of the theists are all over the place. The only universality being that they all agree that atheists are wrong.
If an atheist believes in no God then for them to quote Scripture and tell a Christian they are wrong for not doing something is pretty absurd. If it's a fairy tale then why get so mad at the book and those that believe in it? Especially when it's a random person on the internet you've never met and has said nothing to you. Seen it tons of times.

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The court hearings today:

The Judge: Kimba Wood-a former Playmate in training that had to refuse the Attorney General's appointment by Bill Clinton

Defendant (I guess): William Cohen, attorney for Donald Trump who supposedly had an affair with Porn Star Stormy Daniels; second client a billionaire that got a former porn star pregnant; and Mr. Anonymous Sean Hannity
Plaintiff (I guess): Department of Justice
Gallery: Stormy Daniels, Porn Star and allege former mistress for Donald Trump

Vladimir Putin has got to be laughing his head off, this is just comedy.
 

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If an atheist believes in no God then for them to quote Scripture and tell a Christian they are wrong for not doing something is pretty absurd. If it's a fairy tale then why get so mad at the book and those that believe in it? Especially when it's a random person on the internet you've never met and has said nothing to you. Seen it tons of times.

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Your response was just more rant about random atheists and didn’t answer my question.
 

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What exactly is the man doing to help himself? I must be missing it. His net worth is falling like a rock in the water. He's being publicly called out and embarrassed for every little infraction he has done in his life. He has a guy investigating him looking for a crime any crime.

If he was doubling his net worth and controlling the world I would get what you are saying but he's not. Is he setting up some kind of corrupt foundation to launder money through that I don't know about?

All I see is a guy that's in over his head wanting to help the country for future generations. You can agree or disagree with his methods. Not going to fight about that. To me it looks like he is trying to make the government look and work more like the constitution laid it out. Sadly a huge percent of people don't want that.
If that is all you see then no wonder you think the way you do.
 

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If an atheist believes in no God then for them to quote Scripture and tell a Christian they are wrong for not doing something is pretty absurd. If it's a fairy tale then why get so mad at the book and those that believe in it? Especially when it's a random person on the internet you've never met and has said nothing to you. Seen it tons of times.

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Your response was just more rant about random atheists and didn’t answer my question.
The answer is not the atheist. That's what matters in the example.

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If that is all you see then no wonder you think the way you do.
Better than seeing a bunch of stuff that's not there. I see him making legit mistakes that deserve criticism, mostly I see the press attacking for things that simply aren't true. That would be the reason his approval keeps going up. More and more people are seeing the same thing and ignoring the areas where legit criticism are needed.
 

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The answer is not the atheist. That's what matters in the example.

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So everyone can disagree on the meaning of scripture. And all those varied opinions are acceptable, as long as they come from a believer. But, no matter if you have spent your life as a biblical scholar, if you are an atheist, your opinion is now unworthy.

If your feeling is widespread, it is interesting to see that biblical scholarship is falling exactly in line with the liberal arts agenda of many of our universities. Basically, the idea of cherishing diversity of thought, as long as you think in one of the ways we find acceptable. But, if your thoughts are different, we will suppress them.
 

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Better than seeing a bunch of stuff that's not there. I see him making legit mistakes that deserve criticism, mostly I see the press attacking for things that simply aren't true. That would be the reason his approval keeps going up. More and more people are seeing the same thing and ignoring the areas where legit criticism are needed.
Another example of you seeing what you want to see. His low point was 36.9% and he is now at 40.7%. That is not "keeps going up" that is just hanging at the lowest point in modern American history and ranging in the margin of error.

His approval rating is meandering around at an extremely low level. His approval rating is the lowest of any president in the past 80 years and his disapproval rating is also higher than every single one of them. Look at the graphs of other presidents, there you can see some that actually "kept going up" and others that dropped, but never as low as Trump.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
 

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The answer is not the atheist. That's what matters in the example.

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So everyone can disagree on the meaning of scripture. And all those varied opinions are acceptable, as long as they come from a believer. But, no matter if you have spent your life as a biblical scholar, if you are an atheist, your opinion is now unworthy.

If your feeling is widespread, it is interesting to see that biblical scholarship is falling exactly in line with the liberal arts agenda of many of our universities. Basically, the idea of cherishing diversity of thought, as long as you think in one of the ways we find acceptable. But, if your thoughts are different, we will suppress them.
No, MY opinion is that an atheist that is trying to tell me how to live my life has no moral standing. Without God there is no absolute truth, no moral standard for right or wrong. I can debate all day long with other believers on what Scripture says about certain things, but an atheist (scholar or not), has "no dog in the fight" other than trying to disprove something they don't believe in.

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No, MY opinion is that an atheist that is trying to tell me how to live my life has no moral standing. Without God there is no absolute truth, no moral standard for right or wrong. I can debate all day long with other believers on what Scripture says about certain things, but an atheist (scholar or not), has "no dog in the fight" other than trying to disprove something they don't believe in.

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Right, and the opinion of the liberal professor is that someone that comes down on the side of racists (even if it is only the opinion of the professor that it is racist) has no moral standing. It is the exact same thing.

Your point about "no dog in the fight" makes no sense in your own religion. And, you are diminishing the importance of your religion in all of our everyday lives. To say that a person that lives in a predominantly Christian country when that religion is the basis for many laws (ie- Sunday blue laws, Xmas as fed holiday.....) and is the most read book on earth has no "dog in the fight" about it is absolutely silly. An American has no dog in a fight over Shinto. Christianity, on the other hand, affects every American.
 
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Pick your poison. Gallup has his approval rating @ 40%. Rasmussen has it @ 51%. Rasmussen also had Trump winning the election. I imagine the truth in somewhere in the middle.



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Rasmussen just came out at 51% Approval despite the Fake News Media. They were one of the three most accurate on Election Day. Just about the most inaccurate were CNN and ABC News/Washington Post, and they haven’t changed (get new pollsters). Much of the media is a Scam!
 

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Pick your poison. Gallup has his approval rating @ 40%. Rasmussen has it @ 51%. Rasmussen also had Trump winning the election. I imagine the truth in somewhere in the middle.



Donald J. Trump
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Rasmussen just came out at 51% Approval despite the Fake News Media. They were one of the three most accurate on Election Day. Just about the most inaccurate were CNN and ABC News/Washington Post, and they haven’t changed (get new pollsters). Much of the media is a Scam!
They do a daily poll. In Rasmussen as of yesterday Trump is back down to 49% in their poll with 50% disapprove....with 33% strongly approving and 41% strongly disapproving which gives him a Approval index rating of -8
Bet he won't be tweeting about this

Trump has had a Negative Approval Index in every Rasmussen daily poll since March 3rd 2017

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Another example of you seeing what you want to see. His low point was 36.9% and he is now at 40.7%. That is not "keeps going up" that is just hanging at the lowest point in modern American history and ranging in the margin of error.

His approval rating is meandering around at an extremely low level. His approval rating is the lowest of any president in the past 80 years and his disapproval rating is also higher than every single one of them. Look at the graphs of other presidents, there you can see some that actually "kept going up" and others that dropped, but never as low as Trump.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
Isn't this the same guy that had polls telling me Texas was going to turn blue in 16.
 

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No, MY opinion is that an atheist that is trying to tell me how to live my life has no moral standing. Without God there is no absolute truth, no moral standard for right or wrong. I can debate all day long with other believers on what Scripture says about certain things, but an atheist (scholar or not), has "no dog in the fight" other than trying to disprove something they don't believe in.

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Right, and the opinion of the liberal professor is that someone that comes down on the side of racists (even if it is only the opinion of the professor that it is racist) has no moral standing. It is the exact same thing.

Your point about "no dog in the fight" makes no sense in your own religion. And, you are diminishing the importance of your religion in all of our everyday lives. To say that a person that lives in a predominantly Christian country when that religion is the basis for many laws (ie- Sunday blue laws, Xmas as fed holiday.....) and is the most read book on earth has no "dog in the fight" about it is absolutely silly. An American has no dog in a fight over Shinto. Christianity, on the other hand, affects every American.
Christianity may affect every American, but that doesn't mean every American had the right to affect Christianity.

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