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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 14.1%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 15.4%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 29 37.2%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 17 21.8%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 9 11.5%

  • Total voters
    78

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Trump campaign, GOP raised at least $170 million since Election Day pushing baseless election fraud claims

$170 million?!?! R u kidding me?! Seriously, what is wrong with people?! Fools! "Hey, I (Mr. Billionaire) need your $$ to help me fabricate a voter fraud scheme, yes I know some of you that will foolishly give $$ are middle class and probably need this $$ for your family, but hey, I know you believe everything I say, and I say I want your hard earned $$."
For all trump supporters on this board, I will be collecting money for trumps 2024 presidential campaign...I will share direct deposit directions in an upcoming post...please help me help trump and give your $$ freely...PS: the first 50 people who give me $$ will receive a package of Kool-Aid...
I’ll say it loud and clear. Losing the US presidential election pays far more money than winning it. DJT has zero intention of leaving one penny on the table. Each state that he thinks he’s cheated on is a separate claim for followers and their donations. There’s funds raised to fight dominion, funds raised to fight Dems lawyers, funds for recounts, funds for the VP, funds for senate fights and it goes on and on. I’ve gotten 6 emails today from gop sponsors for a variety of needs and I got 7 from the Dems for the same fights. And it’s not even noon yet.

I’m still at a loss that Americans still haven’t seen the the mass of ignorance coming out of these two parties. Furthermore, it’s scary as hell that the people will still follow rnc/dnc at this point in US history. It just goes to show how inept our education system really is and the weakness in our own minds to resist this charade.

I guess we can look forward to sides flipping, and those that think they won something can now start calling out those that think they loss something.
 

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As has been mentioned, the slogan "defund the police" is three words that depending on the perspective of the reader can mean many things. "Simply defunding the police department to provide social workers" certainly gives a perspective. Clearly, each situation is going to be different and there is no simple plan that would encompass all. But, the general context is that police budgets have gotten huge for many reasons including police being made responsible for things that should not fall on police departments.

And, the other cities literally just started. You are asking for a final score in the first quarter. Other than Camden which is about the only US example I am aware of with a time frame longer than a year or so.
I agree that things need to change within police departments, but knee-jerk defunding of them isn't the answer. I asked for evidence of a positive change, because we have heard horror stories of crime rate dramatically increasing in some of these cities, mayors telling police not to intervene during crimes, and people fleeing these cities. In the case of Norman, the Council decided THAT NIGHT to cut police funding by over $800K because of one loony councilwoman and a bunch of yelling millennials. Since then, there has been no progress on what to do with the $800+K. A chunk was going to go towards a police department audit (really?!) and some towards hiring social workers, but first they were going to pay someone to study it (more wasted money).

I feel that there should be assistance with social workers in certain situations, but sending them to a house with domestic abuse could spell disaster with an armed person accompanying them which doesn't reduce any costs. I wholeheartedly believe police need additional funding to get adequate training to be able to calmly address all scenarios and proper therapy to help with the drama of witnessing the things they see and living each day like it could be your last.
 

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I agree that things need to change within police departments, but knee-jerk defunding of them isn't the answer. I asked for evidence of a positive change, because we have heard horror stories of crime rate dramatically increasing in some of these cities, mayors telling police not to intervene during crimes, and people fleeing these cities. In the case of Norman, the Council decided THAT NIGHT to cut police funding by over $800K because of one loony councilwoman and a bunch of yelling millennials. Since then, there has been no progress on what to do with the $800+K. A chunk was going to go towards a police department audit (really?!) and some towards hiring social workers, but first they were going to pay someone to study it (more wasted money).

I feel that there should be assistance with social workers in certain situations, but sending them to a house with domestic abuse could spell disaster with an armed person accompanying them which doesn't reduce any costs. I wholeheartedly believe police need additional funding to get adequate training to be able to calmly address all scenarios and proper therapy to help with the drama of witnessing the things they see and living each day like it could be your last.
The problem it appears with giving police departments more money to help them address all scenarios is you end up not with policemen who can function as temporary social workers but instead you end up with armored vehicles and other military gear. Police budgets have been growing. The "knee-jerk" is because the result of all that police spending has not been for the things you mentioned.
 

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The problem it appears with giving police departments more money to help them address all scenarios is you end up not with policemen who can function as temporary social workers but instead you end up with armored vehicles and other military gear. Police budgets have been growing. The "knee-jerk" is because the result of all that police spending has not been for the things you mentioned.
Police are showing up in Multi Million $$ of former military gear with enough lethal fire power to take out an Afghan village.....on a call involving some teenager who has taken too much Molly and thinks everyone is zombies trying to kill him or with a distraught new mother suffering from post pregnancy mental issues.

They are bringing the WRONG tools to the jobs. When you show up with tools designed to do harm and cause death and that is the ONLY tools you have.....people seem to die when you use those tools, when there was never really a need to use those tools.

That said "Defund the police" is the an extremely stupid string of words to put together. Maybe "Correctly Fund and Staff the Police" would be a better slogan...but it is hard to shout at rallys
 
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Just had an interesting lunch experience (only adjacently tied to our Defund the Police discussion).

I just came back from picking up lunch at my favorite south Tulsa sandwich shop. On the way out I said hello to a TPD officer who is frequently there, and also is my neighbor, and I know fairly well. He introduced me to a gentleman sitting with him. Although I had never previously met that man, his name I had remembered from the news. Also, the large scar on his forehead helped direct my memory.

His name is Aurash Zarkeshan and he was shot in the head in June during a traffic stop --- unfortunately, the other officer that night was killed.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/15/police-release-footage-of-fatal-shooting-of-tulsa-police-officer/
 

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Ok...so this is Rudy G's star witness in Michigan voter fraud case.

Seriously ....is she drunk during this testimony!!??

She claims to have multiple degrees from the Univ of Michigan but the degrees she list on her Facebook Profile Michigan doesn't offer. Her social media is full of her in Trump 2020 gear and pics of here attending Trump rallys


Wow, what was that and who let speak?
 

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Police are showing up in Multi Million $$ of former military gear with enough lethal fire power to take out an Afghan village.....on a call involving some teenager who has taken too much Molly and thinks everyone is zombies trying to kill him or with a distraught new mother suffering from post pregnancy mental issues.

They are bringing the WRONG tools to the jobs. When you show up with tools designed to do harm and cause death and that is the ONLY tools you have.....people seem to die when you use those tools, when there was never really a need to use those tools.

That said "Defund the police" is the an extremely stupid string of words to put together. Maybe "Correctly Fund and Staff the Police" would be a better slogan...but it is hard to shout at rallys
How about "Police Procedure and Policy Review and Reform"
 
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I saw an interesting headline today that Republicans made gains at the state level as well. They now have control of the House and Senate in 31 states. Seeing what's happened in Congress and at the state level makes me believe that voters didn't reject Republicans & conservative values. They simply rejected Trump.
Seems rather obvious to me as well.

Unfortunately, that idea will just increase the power of incumbents and get more celebrity politicians.
Maybe, but it would impact special interests, lobbyists, big donors, and pay for play. Incumbents generally do win re-election unless they are complete $hitbags or say stuff like 'read my lips'. I would also advocate for ranked choice voting. What i really want is to give the majority of the power/influence to voters. I'd like to see the politicians pandering to voters instead of those special interests, and big donors like goya,.
 

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Police are showing up in Multi Million $$ of former military gear with enough lethal fire power to take out an Afghan village.....on a call involving some teenager who has taken too much Molly and thinks everyone is zombies trying to kill him or with a distraught new mother suffering from post pregnancy mental issues.

They are bringing the WRONG tools to the jobs. When you show up with tools designed to do harm and cause death and that is the ONLY tools you have.....people seem to die when you use those tools, when there was never really a need to use those tools.

That said "Defund the police" is the an extremely stupid string of words to put together. Maybe "Correctly Fund and Staff the Police" would be a better slogan...but it is hard to shout at rallys
Have you ever seen videos of people high on bath salts? That's some super human zombie stuff I wouldn't dare mess with without military gear. ;)
 

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And in this episode of As Norman Turns:

Judge sides with FOP, rules city violated open meetings act

A district judge has ruled in favor of the Norman Fraternal Order of Police, finding the City of Norman “willfully” violated the state’s Open Meetings Act, court records show.

Judge Thomas Baldwin’s order, which was filed Thursday, means the Norman City Council’s decision to deduct $865,000 from the NPD’s budget on June 16 was invalid, his order reads.

“The Court finds that the language used in the (city’s) advanced public notice of the agenda for the June 16, 2020 meeting was deceptively worded or materially obscured the stated purpose of the meeting and is therefore a willful violation of the act. The City Council’s action of defunding the Norman Police Department’s budget and reallocating funds to other departments and projects exceeds the scope of the purpose of the meeting and is therefore, invalid.”
 

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House is voting tomorrow.
68% of Americans want it legal at the federal level.
But, it probably has no chance as it will be blocked by the big federal government loving Republican Senate. Let's stop the fantasy that they are for states' rights or de-regulation. They are for their pet projects and favors for their friends.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ization-is-a-watershed-moment-ceo/ar-BB1bB25g

Why Congress finally voting on cannabis legalization is a 'watershed moment': CEO


The House of Representatives is slated to vote this week on a bill backed by Vice President-elect Kamala Harris that seeks to not only legalize marijuana at a federal level, but also expunge certain cannabis offenses.

The bill, named the Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement (MORE) Act, is largely expected to pass the Democratically-controlled lower chamber as soon as Thursday. House leaders had hoped to bring the bill to a vote earlier this year, but postponed it due to Republican pressure to focus on stimulus negotiations.

Despite the unlikelihood that the bill goes anywhere in the Senate so long as Republicans maintain control, the fact a bill that seeks to legalize cannabis at a federal level and expunge cannabis offenses is up for a vote shows just how quickly views on cannabis have evolved in the last few years. According to a November Gallup poll, a record 68% of Americans support legalizing cannabis. That’s up from 60% in 2016.
 

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House is voting tomorrow.
68% of Americans want it legal at the federal level.
But, it probably has no chance as it will be blocked by the big federal government loving Republican Senate. Let's stop the fantasy that they are for states' rights or de-regulation. They are for their pet projects and favors for their friends.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...ization-is-a-watershed-moment-ceo/ar-BB1bB25g

Why Congress finally voting on cannabis legalization is a 'watershed moment': CEO

The House of Representatives is slated to vote this week on a bill backed by Vice President-elect Kamala Harris that seeks to not only legalize marijuana at a federal level, but also expunge certain cannabis offenses.

The bill, named the Marijuana Opportunity Reinvestment and Expungement (MORE) Act, is largely expected to pass the Democratically-controlled lower chamber as soon as Thursday. House leaders had hoped to bring the bill to a vote earlier this year, but postponed it due to Republican pressure to focus on stimulus negotiations.

Despite the unlikelihood that the bill goes anywhere in the Senate so long as Republicans maintain control, the fact a bill that seeks to legalize cannabis at a federal level and expunge cannabis offenses is up for a vote shows just how quickly views on cannabis have evolved in the last few years. According to a November Gallup poll, a record 68% of Americans support legalizing cannabis. That’s up from 60% in 2016.
I'd like to see it pass just because it makes absolutely no sense for state and federal laws to contradict each other... If the two contradict and there's no enforcement of the one that says it's illegal why the heck does the law even exist?? Either enforce the law or get rid of it.
 

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Florida attorney under investigation for registering to vote in Georgia, encouraging others to do the same

https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics...ng-others-do-same/L6LTC2AHBFDMXPOTZKVMO5ESJQ/

By: Nicole Carr, WSB-TV
Updated: December 3, 2020 - 3:52 PM
PAULDING COUNTY, Ga. — A Florida attorney is at the center of a new state investigation after elections officials say he recently attempted to register to vote in Georgia and instructed other Florida Republicans on how to do it .
Bill Price is seen in a now-deleted Facebook Live video, speaking to the Bay County GOP members in Florida on Nov. 7th. It was about half an hour after the election was called for the Joe Biden-Kamala Harris ticket.
Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger confirmed the video is being investigated and released the following statement Thursday:
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“Make no mistake, individuals who attempt to undermine the integrity of Georgia’s elections will be investigated and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” said Raffensperger. “Those who move to Georgia just to vote in the Senate runoffs with no intention of staying are committing a felony that is punishable with jailtime and hefty fines. They will be found, they will be investigated, and they will be punished.”
Channel 2 investigative reporter Nicole Carr recorded the nearly hour-long video at the center of the investigation Tuesday afternoon, shortly before it was deleted.
Price begins by sharing his legal expertise with the crowd, telling them lawsuits challenging the presidential race are likely to fail.
“I’d love to tell you that there are legal avenues for success in the courts, but as a realist and as a lawyer myself, I know that that’s just not going to happen,” he said.
Instead, Price encouraged the crowd to work toward a “billion-man” march at the State Capitol, show up in Atlanta on Election Day, and move if they can do it.
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“We absolutely have to hold the Senate and we have to start fighting back, and we have to do whatever it takes,” Price said in the video. “And if that means changing your address for the next two months, so be it. I’m doing that. I’m moving to Georgia and I’m gonna fight and I want you all to fight with me.”
Price told the group he’s moving to his brother’s address in Hiram, Georgia in order to register to vote in the January runoff. He repeats and spells and his brother’s name and address, as members of the group jot it down. They can be heard mumbling the address in the background while some write.
“We can truly register at that address?” one woman asks.
“Sure,” Price answers, adding they have to plan to show a move, suggesting they have mail sent there.
“And can it be anywhere in the state of Georgia you can register?” another woman asks. “So if you’ve got cousins, dogs, cats that live somewhere else, it doesn’t need to be one particular county?”
“Yep,” Price answers. “This is going to be a statewide election on Jan. 5th. I’m gonna be voting for Kelly Loeffler?” (In the recording, his voice indicates a question, as he mispronounces the senator’s last name). “And David Perdue.”
One woman also asks about the deadline to register in Georgia. Price said he’s unsure, would have to check, but offers advice on how to get it done online.
“It can be done online or you can request your ballot at your new address in Georgia by mail,” Price said. You just go to the secretary of state’s website for the state of Georgia and register to vote there.”
“If they need a driver’s license, I’m going to get a driver’s license,” he said. “If they need mail, I’m going to have mail there.”
“We have to win that election in Georgia, and so I’m moving to my brother’s house in Hiram, Georgia and I’m registering to vote,” Price says. “And we are going to win that election in January.”
“That’s what needs to be done. If you don’t want to do it, fine. Might as well move to Venezuela now‚” he said. “Get used to that lifestyle, cause that’s what’s coming.”
When Carr reached Price by email Tuesday evening, he denied he was serious about the move.
“Thanks for reaching out. I did not change my voter registration and I don’t have 2 million roommates,” Price wrote, referencing a joke he’d told at one point during the talk about having millions join him in Georgia. " But if my humorous comments bring attention to the massive and widespread voter fraud in Georgia, I would submit to you that it’s a good thing.”
But Channel 2 confirmed Price registered to vote the day after he made the speech, using his brother’s Hiram address and swearing to an affidavit that he was a Georgia resident and eligible to vote.
“When we clearly know that he is not,” said Deidre Holden, Paulding County’s election supervisor.
Holden said Wednesday that Price’s voter registration is in pending status. Her office was preparing to write him and ask him to bring in his driver’s license to “cure” and complete the registration, since the information was provided last month.
By Monday morning, Holden had been contacted by state elections investigators who had flagged Price’s Georgia registration address. They shared the video with her. She said the elections board will hold a special-called meeting next week to make sure Price’s registration does not become active.
Holden, a Republican, told Carr Price’s intent was clear in the video, and it was disturbing to hear him instruct the group and say he planned to return to Florida on Jan. 6th.
“What kind of message is this sending out to our children and our grandchildren and our neighbors that if you don’t win an election, that you can just go out and steal one?” Holden asked. “And that’s absolutely unacceptable here in the State of Georgia.”
Carr stopped by Price’s brother’s home on Wednesday. He confirmed he’d been contacted by state investigators, but had not seen the video.
“The whole thing was just tongue- in-cheek,” Fredrick Price said of his brother’s remarks. “There’s nothing here. "
“Some of it was tongue-in- cheek,” Carr said. “The other was specific instructions.
“No,” Price answered.
“It wasn’t all a joke,” Carr said.
“OK, but No,” Price answered.”
“OK, thank you, Sir,” Carr said.
In a Wednesday afternoon statement, Georgia’s Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs confirmed the office would be exploring the felony charges tied to fraudulent voter registration in Georgia.
For weeks Georgia officials have warned that registering to vote with no attempt to stay in Georgia can be punishable by a felony charge that can carry up to a ten-year sentence, and $100,000 fine.
“This isn’t California,” said Fuchs. “We actually investigate and seek to prosecute individuals who try vote here illegally. Our system is built to prevent this behavior— we will seek to prosecute to the fullest extent of the law.”
Carr reached out to the Bay County GOP to see if the group advised members that Price was under investigation, and his suggestions regarding temporary moves to vote is illegal. As of airtime, Wednesday, Channel 2 has not received a response.