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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 15.1%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 16.4%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 27 37.0%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 16 21.9%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 7 9.6%

  • Total voters
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gundysburner

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My point is that lives are more important than possessions, that is it. To the average american, COVID is the far bigger threat to their life and wellbeing, not a few violent protests. Which one have we completely changed how we live our lives around and is making a resurgence? Unless you live in a small number of cities in very specific areas, its COVID.

If you want to make an argument about my previous positions, be accurate in your depiction of them. If you don't care enough to be accurate on the premise and don't want to look it up, don't bother making the point in the first place. A straw man is a straw man, even if poor memory or laziness is the reason for it.
I'll say it again, slowly: they're BOTH important.

I'll say it again, slowly: I commented on one post you made, not all of your 'previous positions', as I've already said.

Now, you want to accuse others of being lazy because they don't care to go through your post history? I certainly can't argue with your clear knowledge of what a straw man is.

Here's your mirror.
 
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. Doubling down on an illogical and ethically poor position isn't noble or smart. Its just foolhardy and stubborn.
Too bad people don't follow what they type.

Sorry, it is not a hot take to point out hate and intolerance. And plenty of evidence of riots resulting destroyed buildings and including looting -- not sure what you are getting at there.

And I suggest you look up definition of straw man.
 
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Yes, we have a mask ordinance and all day long I have to see people walking around without one despite the fact that I am getting pounded at work dealing with COVID. Jail their law-breaking asses. The stupid fine isn't working.
There is a strong correlation between penalty and adherence to the law. We've seen this for a long time with immigration. People will continue to come here illegally as long as the reward for doing so far outweighs the risk of getting caught.

Everyone should follow the laws, including the mask mandates. If they disagree with them, they should take the proper channels to overturn them. A stiffer fine & stricter enforcement would probably help with compliance. I can't really support incarceration as penalty though. Especially at a time where many are voting to reduce sentencing for serial rapists & child abusers through state question 805.
 

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Probably because I spend the day seeing the devastating results of not wearing a mask. How many times have you told a 30 year old, "I'm sorry you can't breathe, we are doing the best we can for you."
Personally, I'd rather fix a damn window. Humans are far more important than property. But that is just me.
Agreed...

But not everyone is dying only in the covid ward (this is not to say those lives don't matter because they most definitely do). But many deaths are also occurring as direct results of the riots, murder and mayhem. David Dorn...he didn't die from Covid....I'm sure you agree that the environment or political discord in the nation is causing real societal problems and we need to be careful, not only with the virus, but with our reaction to things beyond our personal control...Like elections, job losses, or even violence against us and others. This doesn't mean we don't let our voice be heard...but violence should never been the reaction. Unfortunately we are seeing big upticks in crime including violent crime (including murder) all over the nation in the big cities. IMHO, opportunist are taking advantage of BLM / Antifa / Proud Boys protesting and escalating things into riots...other's are using the pandemic as cover for their lawless behavior and a certain part of the community is cheering that violent disruption on to the point of no bail arrest or bailing out violent offenders.. These tend to be the similar to people who seemingly are cheerleading for the virus to even further disrupt the status quo prior to the virus. This is dangerous because it's not rewarding a complete and balanced approach to tackling the virus while we also figure out how to live with it. We really need to look at the things we do to mitigate and how they affect the big picture...that being our response to the virus can't create more problems and death than the virus itself. This is why we need balance and mitigation both.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/08/1...victims-since-mostly-peaceful-protests-began/
https://www.insider.com/murder-shooting-count-up-high-unchartered-waters-new-york-2020-10
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/m...-us-cities-amid-covid-19-pandemic/vi-BB18BDzU
 
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There is a strong correlation between penalty and adherence to the law. We've seen this for a long time with immigration. People will continue to come here illegally as long as the reward for doing so far outweighs the risk of getting caught.

Everyone should follow the laws, including the mask mandates. If they disagree with them, they should take the proper channels to overturn them. A stiffer fine & stricter enforcement would probably help with compliance. I can't really support incarceration as penalty though. Especially at a time where many are voting to reduce sentencing for serial rapists & child abusers through state question 805.
I expect 805 to get overwhelmingly SMASHED.
 

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The Texas Supreme Court ruled 7 days ago they were not illegal. So not it is not breaking election law, it is not wrong and this is an attempt by the GOP in TX to try to get 100,000's of Thousands of votes thrown out.

https://www.courthousenews.com/texas-supreme-court-refuses-to-shut-down-drive-thru-voting/
This new suit is based on location of the drive through voting sites, that the County Elections Administrator only set them up in predominately Democrat precints and is therefore suppressing the opportunity of Republicans in other precincts.
 

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This new suit is based on location of the drive through voting sites, that the County Elections Administrator only set them up in predominately Democrat precints and is therefore suppressing the opportunity of Republicans in other precincts.
and part of the lawsuit is wanting people who vote through drive through polling locations to first prove they are disabled
 
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I expect 805 to get overwhelmingly SMASHED.
I hope you're right. I'm not necessarily against the idea of reducing sentences for non-violent crimes. That seems like a common sense approach to reducing incarceration rates. But a lot of people don't realize that there are a lot of violent crimes that are categorized as non-violent by our state. Serial offenders should get harsher sentences.

https://www.newson6.com/story/5f7f9...sheriffs-speak-out-against-state-question-805
They said, if 805 passes, when a person is sentenced for a crime, it’ll be like they’re a first-time offender, even of they’ve committed dozens of crimes.

"Domestic violence is one of the nonviolent crimes. Domestic violence by strangulation, child abuse, things of those nature, are crimes listed in 805, that are crimes that are non-violent,” said Sheriff Turner. In addition to domestic violence, second degree rape, assault and battery with a weapon, cruelty to animals, assault on a police officer, DUI, second degree manslaughter and many other charges are listed as non-violent crimes in Oklahoma.
 

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This new suit is based on location of the drive through voting sites, that the County Elections Administrator only set them up in predominately Democrat precints and is therefore suppressing the opportunity of Republicans in other precincts.
Imagine that, there's context to this story beyond what 140 characters can provide.
 

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and part of the lawsuit is wanting people who vote through drive through polling locations to first prove they are disabled
What I have seen in local coverage here in Houston is location of the sites being only in Dem controlled precincts being primary driver for this action. I wouldn't be surprised if Texas GOP is also including that drive-thru sites should be treated as curbside, with the same restrictions, as it would define how the Texas Election Code would be applied in all future elections. There is some wiggle room on the disability condition within the Election Code that only the voter has to say they are disabled, or something similar.
 

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I hope you're right. I'm not necessarily against the idea of reducing sentences for non-violent crimes. That seems like a common sense approach to reducing incarceration rates. But a lot of people don't realize that there are a lot of violent crimes that are categorized as non-violent by our state. Serial offenders should get harsher sentences.

https://www.newson6.com/story/5f7f9...sheriffs-speak-out-against-state-question-805
They said, if 805 passes, when a person is sentenced for a crime, it’ll be like they’re a first-time offender, even of they’ve committed dozens of crimes.

"Domestic violence is one of the nonviolent crimes. Domestic violence by strangulation, child abuse, things of those nature, are crimes listed in 805, that are crimes that are non-violent,” said Sheriff Turner. In addition to domestic violence, second degree rape, assault and battery with a weapon, cruelty to animals, assault on a police officer, DUI, second degree manslaughter and many other charges are listed as non-violent crimes in Oklahoma.
I'm not against the idea either... but this bill, I am vehemently against. As is literally EVERYONE I know (liberal and conservative). I haven't heard, seen or read ANYTHING defending or supporting it. Nothing. It "should" get trounced. Badly.
 

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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment...from-donald-trump-they-cleared-074833538.html

Wow. Has he seen how I talk about him on this show?” Colbert asked in disbelief, before making a reference to Trump’s alleged affair with porn star Stormy Daniels: “Well I guess it wouldn’t be the first time Trump’s paid someone to spank him.”

“I’d say this is Donald Trump peeing on our leg and telling us it’s raining, but he usually pays Russian prostitutes to do that,” Colbert said before playing a clip of Trump saying, “I’m Donald J. Trump and I approve this message.” Colbert then added, “Thank you, sir. I can’t believe I’m getting checks from Donald Trump, and they cleared.”
 

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I hope you're right. I'm not necessarily against the idea of reducing sentences for non-violent crimes. That seems like a common sense approach to reducing incarceration rates. But a lot of people don't realize that there are a lot of violent crimes that are categorized as non-violent by our state. Serial offenders should get harsher sentences.

https://www.newson6.com/story/5f7f9...sheriffs-speak-out-against-state-question-805
They said, if 805 passes, when a person is sentenced for a crime, it’ll be like they’re a first-time offender, even of they’ve committed dozens of crimes.

"Domestic violence is one of the nonviolent crimes. Domestic violence by strangulation, child abuse, things of those nature, are crimes listed in 805, that are crimes that are non-violent,” said Sheriff Turner. In addition to domestic violence, second degree rape, assault and battery with a weapon, cruelty to animals, assault on a police officer, DUI, second degree manslaughter and many other charges are listed as non-violent crimes in Oklahoma.
I'm afraid it will pass because of the wording on the ballot. It sounds nice. Non-violent offenders shouldn't have their sentences enhanced. But man, that's a disgusting list of "non-violent" crimes in backwards ass Oklahoma.
 

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https://twitter.com/AirBossUT5/status/1321552309453684736?s=20
If this happens man the s*it is going to hit the media fan...you think they would actually learn they don’t know what they are doing or their polls or admit they are a massive disinformation campaign IF that happens?
 

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If this happens man the s*it is going to hit the media fan...you think they would actually learn they don’t know what they are doing or their polls or admit they are a massive disinformation campaign IF that happens?
The push for national popular vote will not die, book it.

If I hear another co-worker spout off on this & oddly enough, daylight savings time, again this week I may just use some PTO.
 

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https://twitter.com/LarrySchweikart/status/1321801426121584640?s=20


Real early voting numbers. This is the FL equivalent of Trump being tied in Chicago.
 

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Honestly I think the covid shutdowns and scare will help Trump not hurt him as it was at least trumped up to effect if not outright caused our economy to fall apart...and yet, it hasn’t done that overall. Right now I’m thinking he wins again just nearly exactly like 2016...Katy bar the door...I don’t think Americans are ready or willing to lay down their freedoms over fear based media scare tactics.