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What will be the results of todays vote?

  • Trump wins big

    Votes: 11 15.1%
  • Trump wins small

    Votes: 12 16.4%
  • No decision by tomorrow morning

    Votes: 27 37.0%
  • Biden wins small

    Votes: 16 21.9%
  • Biden wins big

    Votes: 7 9.6%

  • Total voters
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May 31, 2007
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No, the majority of Americans DID NOT vote for HRC. Of 250 million eligible voters in 2016, only 55% voted. Roughly half of voted each way, so at best, 28% of the people voted one way or the other. And that does not even count the other 80 million who are not registered to vote or are too young to vote.

Call it a semantics game if you want, but the comment is always made to try and convince someone else that most of the country swings one way or the other. Many people do not vote because there is no point seeing as how the vast majority of a state goes one way or the other and their vote is not necessary. To this point, why swing states do not have 95% or higher voter turnout is beyond me.
I say it all the time. Less than 10% of our country (maybe closer to 5%) follows politics. And then only a small multiple of that bother to vote. People that do follow it like those that post in this sub seem to think it’s much higher than that. But it really isn’t.
 

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No, the majority of Americans DID NOT vote for HRC. Of 250 million eligible voters in 2016, only 55% voted. Roughly half of voted each way, so at best, 28% of the people voted one way or the other. And that does not even count the other 80 million who are not registered to vote or are too young to vote.

Call it a semantics game if you want, but the comment is always made to try and convince someone else that most of the country swings one way or the other. Many people do not vote because there is no point seeing as how the vast majority of a state goes one way or the other and their vote is not necessary. To this point, why swing states do not have 95% or higher voter turnout is beyond me.
You seem to be arguing simply for the sake of arguing. When i say the majority of Americans voted for clinton, i think it's rather obvious and clear that the majority of Americans I reference here are people who actually voted. For those who dont vote, their opinions simply do not matter, they're just taxpayers. thanks for the $!

Now that we have that cleared out, yes the majority of mfers who actually cared enough to vote pretty overwhelmingly preferred clinton. I dont care what way most of the country swings, i care about how we voted and it's clear that more people preferred clinton. which is really said for donny boy, because clinton is a real piece of trash and more people wanted her anyway.
 
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We are talking about a Trailer Park here not a fortune 500 investment company.

And again undoing Trump's 2017 tax cuts would mean they would need to go back to rents in 2017 to make the same profit. Not double rent.
Raising the long term capital gains tax rate to match the income tax rate will affect real estate investors a lot more than undoing Trump's tax cuts.
 

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This post is showing that @Cimarron was correct. You don’t understand taxes. Not taking a $400k salary does not mean he doesn’t pay $400k in taxes.
It's not even an argument or point of discussion, he paid $750 in federal tax. Arguing otherwise is a waste of energy. But you'll try because you know it's a bad look for someone who claims to be a billionaire paying less federal tax than a waitress. No need to defend his tax avoidance if you believe there is nothing at all wrong with it. It's legal and on the up & up. so why do you care to defend it? it shouldnt bother you when people say it or when people make fun of him for it.
 
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Raising the long term capital gains tax rate to match the income tax rate will affect real estate investors a lot more than undoing Trump's tax cuts.
Stopping all immigrants from entering the US is going to do a lot more to the bottom line of a trailer park in Colorado than a tax increase targeted at the rich.
 

Midnight Toker

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I say it all the time. Less than 10% of our country (maybe closer to 5%) follows politics. And then only a small multiple of that bother to vote. People that do follow it like those that post in this sub seem to think it’s much higher than that. But it really isn’t.
The number of people who pay attention fluctuates and you'll never just know. I think it's more than 10% though, as substantially more than 10% of the eligible population votes. I wish voter turnout was higher but it is what it is. i like the idea of making voting easier and more accessible though, and that has shown to improve voter turnout.
 
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OMG, the Biden's have business in China!

Well I never. I even remember a HARD hitting article that showed they had expenses for hotels and food.

Thanks goodness team Trump is squeaky clean when it comes to China. His family has no connections or business dealings there.
Difference is that Trump never has run on "squeaky clean" but its Biden's cornerstone. . .. which is cracking
 

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Raising the long term capital gains tax rate to match the income tax rate will affect real estate investors a lot more than undoing Trump's tax cuts.
Biden is also suggesting doing away with the stepped up cost basis at death. Infact he is suggesting that it is considered to be a sales event and the Cap gains tax is due at death. Not on the sale of the asset. Translation, Kiss your family farm goodbye, or your small business.

Want to unleash a huge amount of capital for use? Eliminate cap gains tax completely. But no Biden like most libs has zero clue not only how the tax code works, but how it changes peoples behavior.
 
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I mean even if your worst fears come true the cost of taxes go up what 3%?

Did we see crazy increases in taxes under Obama? Not really, maybe mild increases. So acting like DOUBLING rent is reasonable is patently absurd.

Not to mention property tax is set at a State , City, and/or County level not Federally. So what could Biden do to affect the tax burden that significantly at a trailer park. I highly doubt the owners have $400K of net income each year.
Ya, lets start at 3% increase . . and next year ask for 5% . . . get that door opened. Pretty soon we'll be 100% socialist.
 

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It's not even an argument or point of discussion, he paid $750 in federal tax. Arguing otherwise is a waste of energy. But you'll try because you know it's a bad look for someone who claims to be a billionaire paying less federal tax than a waitress. No need to defend his tax avoidance if you believe there is nothing at all wrong with it. It's legal and on the up & up. so why do you care to defend it? it shouldnt bother you when people say it or when people make fun of him for it.
If his tax avoidance is legal then that shows the flaws of our system, not his flaws.

The $141,000,000 the taxpayer has paid to his golf resorts so he can golf while "giving up" his salary is a bigger flaw.

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Cimarron

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First off I am not saying you believe directly any of this. You seem like a good guy who simply has different surroundings than me so you support Trump cause you think it is best for you. I am totally fine with that. Just giving you a bit of a hard time for railing on Biden for what I think applies more to Trump.
I support Trump because I think he is best for the country. Given the choices we have.

Screaming about alleged oversea corruption by Biden while ignoring the same thing with convictions from US Courts.
What was Trump convicted of? Who was convicted of laundering overseas kickbacks?

Calling Biden a pedophile while ignoring Trump running around with Epstein. (yes I think Clinton is likely a pedophile or at least very close to it).
I never called Biden a pedophile, he is creepy though.

Screaming about coastal elites ruining the country. Then elect a coastal elite.
I don't like coastal elites who want to impose their coastal/urban beliefs on other regions of the country they have little to no understanding of. Obama, and Biden has said he will go there again as well has Harris, writing rules and regulations on agriculture that cause increased cost, inefficiencies, and socialist control of agriculture. Trump has reversed much of that.


Screaming about the moral family unit. Vote for Trump who has 3 divorces and Porn star payouts/illegal campaign payments.
Never said I particularly liked Trump as a person. I'm not a lackey.

Scream about deficit under Obama. Ignore it going up under Trump.
I didn't scream about a deficit under Obama, it was going to grow regardless who was elected. What I did scream about is when he called other people un-American when the deficit went up and then claimed to uphold Amercan values when it doubled under his administration. Hypocrite.

Scream about immigrants. Trump is married to one.
You won't find where I've ever screamed about immigrants. In fact I've pointed out that Trump married an immigrant and his mother was an immigrant. Trump isn't anti immigrant either. But like me he is against ILLEGAL immigration. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about ILLEGAL.

In fact Biden, Obama, Clinton also railed against illegal immigration in the past. But they've conflated the terms to the point that people seem to think there is no such thing as illegal immigration.

I'm not sure how old you are, but I do recall right after 9/11 the Democrats in Washington were blaming Bush asking how these people got into the United States......

But, politicians seem to do a real good job of confusing the issue for many people who can't seem to understand the difference between legal and illegal.

Scream about bailouts. Trump personally signed bailout checks.
Depends on the reasoning for the bailouts and how they are applied.

If they are for poor management the money is better off going somewhere else rather than back into a failed enterprise.

Could probably go on for another dozen of these.
I've said many times on OP and elsewhere that most everyone is a good person and wants the best for people and the country. We just have very different opinions on how best to achieve those goals.

I do believe though that people who don't have the best interest of others or the country at heart, but do have their own self interest, seek out positions of power that can put them above the law. That doesn't give me much confidence in most politicians.

I've told people it's fine to have differences of opinion, just be able to back it up with some facts.
 

PF5

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I'm starting to get really scared reading these posts...seems as though if Biden wins, the US will become one of those $h!t Hole countries Trump has mentioned...
 

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If his tax avoidance is legal then that shows the flaws of our system, not his flaws.

The $141,000,000 the taxpayer has paid to his golf resorts so he can golf while "giving up" his salary is a bigger flaw.

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I think it highlights the idea that the tax burden which goes unpaid by mega rich people who are rich enough to avoid taxes, simply rolls down to the rest of us who have no choice but to pay our fair share. And we have a guy in office who has extreme influence in how much more taxes he and his fellow mega rich people can avoid paying. I mean it's no mystery that the US' billionaires wealth collectively increased by nearly a trillion dollars this year. Many of them heavily invested in corporations who now enjoy a really low tax rate. It's nice being rich that's for sure. It always has been, true, but it's a lot better now than in the past.

yeah the taxpayer funded trump golf outings have certainly cost us a lot of money. is that before or after the $200k/hour it costs to operate Air Force One? And i wonder, when he spends a few days at his club, all of his lackeys and SS get the privilege of staying at his glorious property on taxpayer dime too.
It's all very on the up and up.
 

Cimarron

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I like making fun of presidents who keep Chinese bank accounts and pay more in taxes to the Chinese than to America. You know, America first 'n all.
When you write a check to pay your taxes, given your comment here, I'm sure you add to what you owe.

How much do you add to your taxes over what you owe? 10%, 20%, 30%. Because, I mean, I'm sure you don't want to be made fun of because you only pay what you owe.
 

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I support Trump because I think he is best for the country. Given the choices we have.


What was Trump convicted of? Who was convicted of laundering overseas kickbacks?



I never called Biden a pedophile, he is creepy though.



I don't like coastal elites who want to impose their coastal/urban beliefs on other regions of the country they have little to no understanding of. Obama, and Biden has said he will go there again as well has Harris, writing rules and regulations on agriculture that cause increased cost, inefficiencies, and socialist control of agriculture. Trump has reversed much of that.




Never said I particularly liked Trump as a person. I'm not a lackey.



I didn't scream about a deficit under Obama, it was going to grow regardless who was elected. What I did scream about is when he called other people un-American when the deficit went up and then claimed to uphold Amercan values when it doubled under his administration. Hypocrite.



You won't find where I've ever screamed about immigrants. In fact I've pointed out that Trump married an immigrant and his mother was an immigrant. Trump isn't anti immigrant either. But like me he is against ILLEGAL immigration. I'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about ILLEGAL.

In fact Biden, Obama, Clinton also railed against illegal immigration in the past. But they've conflated the terms to the point that people seem to think there is no such thing as illegal immigration.

I'm not sure how old you are, but I do recall right after 9/11 the Democrats in Washington were blaming Bush asking how these people got into the United States......

But, politicians seem to do a real good job of confusing the issue for many people who can't seem to understand the difference between legal and illegal.



Depends on the reasoning for the bailouts and how they are applied.

If they are for poor management the money is better off going somewhere else rather than back into a failed enterprise.



I've said many times on OP and elsewhere that most everyone is a good person and wants the best for people and the country. We just have very different opinions on how best to achieve those goals.

I do believe though that people who don't have the best interest of others or the country at heart, but do have their own self interest, seek out positions of power that can put them above the law.
That doesn't give me much confidence in most politicians.

I've told people it's fine to have differences of opinion, just be able to back it up with some facts.
you don't think Trump fits in this category?
 

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Cimarron

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I'm starting to get really scared reading these posts...seems as though if Biden wins, the US will become one of those $h!t Hole countries Trump has mentioned...
Well there is some precedent. Go to those cities here in the US managed for decades by Democrats.