Dem chances in 2020

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Jul 25, 2018
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I don't think so. Democrats are a far cry from a homogeneous group. I think AOC is as nuts as many of you do, the only difference is I wouldn't!
Well they're obviously not a homogenous group, no doubt.

What we're witnessing, however, is steady, consistent, advocacy journalism which shines absolutely zero light on moderates within the party. Biden getting killed for commenting on working together with segregationists is yet another shining example of this. Anyone with a brain in their head knew exactly what point he was trying to make, but we live in a time where hysteria & outrage rule the day, to the extent that the wailing & gnashing of teeth over Biden's remarks just goes completely unchallenged.
 

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What can I say? Republicans have obstruction and hypocrisy down to an art form. I wish all you Constitution loving people would allow the equal powers to work unobstructed. It may take the voting citizens.
if there was any obstruction, or any threat to equal powers, then I would be the first to stand with you - but it is all just a pack of lies.

SHOW US. Show us all of this obstruction.

Muller couldn't find it. The AG flat out said it does not exist. Only a few DNC loons keep harping on it.

for gosh sakes, if you're going to keep making those outrageous statements, then back them up.

If you read the Mueller novel - then show us. It is simply not true.
 

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Well they're obviously not a homogenous group, no doubt.

What we're witnessing, however, is steady, consistent, advocacy journalism which shines absolutely zero light on moderates within the party. Biden getting killed for commenting on working together with segregationists is yet another shining example of this. Anyone with a brain in their head knew exactly what point he was trying to make, but we live in a time where hysteria & outrage rule the day, to the extent that the wailing & gnashing of teeth over Biden's remarks just goes completely unchallenged.
the only things that ever get challenged are comments by the right.... ever
 
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You might be convinced people are in love with Trump, I’m not. They love his results and might be ok with his confrontational style at times. But I think many voters just put up with his childish antics because there’s no real alternative, especially if it means a Liberal. If an adult GOP leader emerges that promises a continuation of economically impacted policies, I think they would have a decent chance. JMO.


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well.... then there must have been "no real alternative" last time when he beat a field of 17 Republicans. Nope, that can't be it.

Something else is going on in America... many on the left are tired of business as usual, and most on the right have been tired of it for a long time, going so far as to create a grass roots tea-party movement.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but traditional "GOP Leaders" are not favored (apparently), for whatever reasons.

Even many "liberals" voted for Trump. The people of this country appear to be "tired of it" (same ole crap), and have and will go to extremes to ensure that real reform happens and that the swamp is drained.

Trump got elected simply because the GOP thought he was the guy that they could best control (versus Cruz), and because he appealed to so many that were just plain tired of what the left is offering.
What people think of Trump now is a universe away from what they thought of him before he took office. The guy is much bigger childish prick than most anyone imagined.

I’m not predicting a challenger, I just think the right challenger would have a chance.


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Jul 25, 2018
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the only things that ever get challenged are comments by the right.... ever
Part of me actually understands Biden's frustration here.

The guy simply makes a remark about working with others to get things done, regardless of their disagreements. His remarks get dog-whistled out as somehow praising segregationists, & Booker & others even have the nerve to ask for him to apologize.

I agree with Biden: "Apologize for what?"
 
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What people think of Trump now is a universe away from what they thought of him before he took office. The guy is much bigger childish prick than most anyone imagined.

I’m not predicting a challenger, I just think the right challenger would have a chance.


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I just don't see that happening at all, but who knows?

Something like 5 incumbent Presidents have lost since 1900. Hard to see someone from his own party unseating him.
 

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If you truly believe that one party has cornered the market on virtue & nobility, I don't know what to tell you.
Didn't you see all the virtue claims last night?

I think Clinton popularized the story-about-an-American idea and it was a brilliant political move back then. But at this point, I am so sick of politicians with their "Lemmie tell you about little Jimmy Rodriguez. Jimmy about got eaten by a salt water crocodile crossing the rio grande. But, that didn't deter Jimmy. He learned English, went to community college, and now he is two covalent bonds away from creating a molecule that is going to cure cancer, and Alzheimers. Jimmy is my America. The America I stand for. A vote for me is a vote for Jimmy."
 

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Didn't you see all the virtue claims last night?

I think Clinton popularized the story-about-an-American idea and it was a brilliant political move back then. But at this point, I am so sick of politicians with their "Lemmie tell you about little Jimmy Rodriguez. Jimmy about got eaten by a salt water crocodile crossing the rio grande. But, that didn't deter Jimmy. He learned English, went to community college, and now he is two covalent bonds away from creating a molecule that is going to cure cancer, and Alzheimers. Jimmy is my America. The America I stand for. A vote for me is a vote for Jimmy."
I heard little Jimmy use the n word in college, supporting him is supporting racism.
 

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What can I say? Republicans have obstruction and hypocrisy down to an art form. I wish all you Constitution loving people would allow the equal powers to work unobstructed. It may take the voting citizens.
Come talk to me when Republicans start deleting subpoenaed emails, smash devices and bleach bit hard drives and maybe I’ll listen.
 

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I guess the real point is - in order to stay in the race and ultimately get the Dem nomination, a candidate will have to go hard, hard left, including Biden. That strategy might win the nomination, but it’s a loser for the general election.


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I don't think so. Democrats are a far cry from a homogeneous group. I think AOC is as nuts as many of you do, the only difference is I wouldn't!
Even if I was single I wouldn't.

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You've got to admit that they have been promising "real dirt" on him since he started running. Sure, it is possible, but I think the chances of anything significant coming out are getting slimmer each day.
Who knows, he may adopt the Clinton way of silencing those with dirt on him.:whistle:
 
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From my little sphere of influence, I cannot fathom Trump losing. Problem is, there are an equal if not greater number of voters who despise him out of principle and would not vote for him if he cured cancer; coupled with a generation of entitlement apron-clingers who actually believe what is being pandered by the leftist candidates, and I think the election is anything but a foregone conclusion.
 

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What people think of Trump now is a universe away from what they thought of him before he took office. The guy is much bigger childish prick than most anyone imagined.

I’m not predicting a challenger, I just think the right challenger would have a chance.


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nope, sorry... totally disagree. That may be your impression, but nobody else is fooled.

I thought he was that way before, and still think he is that way... I simply think that now it is actually good and long over due. (his brashness and frankness)

the media is worse than I thought (much worse), the extent of deep state was worse than I though (much worse, and I thought it was really bad), but Trump has not changed from his childish attacks on Piggy O'Donnell, horseface attack on Carly Fiorina, and bleeding attacks on the glamours Megan Kelly.

IMHO, he has actually toned it down some.
 
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You've got to admit that they have been promising "real dirt" on him since he started running. Sure, it is possible, but I think the chances of anything significant coming out are getting slimmer each day.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way. There is simply no dirt dirty enough to matter. There has already been enough stuff to wreck any normal candidate/incumbent, and it has been proven out that it simply doesn't matter. I honestly can't think of ANYTHING that could come out that would make any difference. If he killed Melania in the rose garden he'd just blame Hillary and/or claim fake news.

The only change between now and the vote that matters will be the economy. If that goes south, he is done. If not, he's probably in for another 4.
 
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nope, sorry... totally disagree. That may be your impression, but nobody else is fooled.

I thought he was that way before, and still think he is that way... I simply think that now it is actually good and long over due. (his brashness and frankness)

the media is worse than I thought (much worse), the extent of deep state was worse than I though (much worse, and I thought it was really bad), but Trump has not changed from his childish attacks on Piggy O'Donnell, horseface attack on Carly Fiorina, and bleeding attacks on the glamours Megan Kelly.

IMHO, he has actually toned it down some.
Well, Cali has certainly bought in.
 
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Nearly everything he has done has been "substantial" and it does not matter any more.

Compare to Gary Hart getting caught with a fully dressed model on his lap and it torpedoed him from front runner to out of the race. Trump has Russia allegations, paying off porn stars, recordings of him saying vulgar stuff, comments about how hot his own daughter is and on and on and on. It doesn't matter if you want it to matter, that stuff just doesn't matter. Our sensitivities to this stuff have changed.
To bring him down is going to take an absolute blockbuster charge with convincing evidence.
OK sorry, exactly this, should have read all the comments before adding mine.