Dem chances in 2020

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Seems to me....
1. The Democratic candidates are playing one-upsmanship with regards to how far left they can go and how much free stuff they can give away
2. The ultimate Democratic nominee will have promised an ultra-Liberal and free handout society bordering on all-out socialism.
3. The most realistic way to beat Trump is for a much more moderate Dem to emerge.
4. Given 2 and 3 above, the Dems are killing their chances of success and guaranteeing a Trump win unless:
5. Some real dirt sticks to Trump, or
6. Trump gets a late GOP opponent that promises more of Trump policies without the childish, egotistical, sometimes immoral behavior.



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Seems to me....
1. The Democratic candidates are playing one-upsmanship with regards to how far left they can go and how much free stuff they can give away
2. The ultimate Democratic nominee will have promised an ultra-Liberal and free handout society bordering on all-out socialism.
3. The most realistic way to beat Trump is for a much more moderate Dem to emerge.
4. Given 2 and 3 above, the Dems are killing their chances of success and guaranteeing a Trump win unless:
5. Some real dirt sticks to Trump, or
6. Trump gets a late GOP opponent that promises more of Trump policies without the childish, egotistical, sometimes immoral behavior.



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Yep, #6 was available last time within the Republican field but we didn't nominate that person. I don't think there will be a Republican primary challenger unless something MAJOR happens regarding your #5. It's sad how polarized politics are these days. and yep, I do think Trump wins again...perhaps in a landslide with the current crop of Dem's being futile at best and you are completely right I think with your assessment.

Btw, I totally agree with your assessment overall and just wanted to point it out due to us being on different sides politically typically. It's not smart (and somewhat surprising) who far left that party has gone from even Obama's stances on things.
 

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i want to see polling of moderates that:
1) watched both debates
2) broken down in head to head match ups with trump.

Frankly every candidate on night two during the hand raise for "taxpayer funded healthcare for illegals" should get zero support. Everyone on night one, should be breathing a sigh of relief that they weren't forced into that untenable position on the record.
 

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Seems to me....
1. The Democratic candidates are playing one-upsmanship with regards to how far left they can go and how much free stuff they can give away
2. The ultimate Democratic nominee will have promised an ultra-Liberal and free handout society bordering on all-out socialism.
3. The most realistic way to beat Trump is for a much more moderate Dem to emerge.
4. Given 2 and 3 above, the Dems are killing their chances of success and guaranteeing a Trump win unless:
5. Some real dirt sticks to Trump, or
6. Trump gets a late GOP opponent that promises more of Trump policies without the childish, egotistical, sometimes immoral behavior.



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It is the confrontational style of Trump that makes him the best suited for the Presidency at this juncture in our country's development. Simply having "Trump policies" would not be sufficient.

This country clearly wants and supports someone with a real backbone that will stand up to the lying media and stand up to the crooked congress and stand up to the foreign dictators and snobbish foreign partners.

I have not seen President engage in any "immoral behavior" while in office, so that comment seems out of place, and it also seems that the "childish and egotistical" behavior is the only way that he can squash the loud mouths of the left that constantly bash him. Honestly, the childish behavior STARTS from the left, and yea for President Trump for fighting back.
 

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#5
An incumbent with a booming economy and no major scandals. That should be a shoe in. It says a lot about the direction of this country that the Dems have any shot at all.
 

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Don't hurt your arms patting each other on your collective Republican backs! We'll have TWO complete football seasons before the 2020 vote. In that time #5 could be a distinct possibility.
 

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Don't hurt your arms patting each other on your collective Republican backs! We'll have TWO complete football seasons before the 2020 vote. In that time #5 could be a distinct possibility.
You've got to admit that they have been promising "real dirt" on him since he started running. Sure, it is possible, but I think the chances of anything significant coming out are getting slimmer each day.
 
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Seems to me....
1. The Democratic candidates are playing one-upsmanship with regards to how far left they can go and how much free stuff they can give away
A key part of this strategy now is framing everything as a "Right." When healthcare, housing, college, etc... get constantly referred to as a "Right", it's a not so subtle attempt to shift the collective mindset. If you oppose any/all of those things, you're seen as denying someone their "Rights." Pretty easy way to demonize anyone opposing these freebies.

2. The ultimate Democratic nominee will have promised an ultra-Liberal and free handout society bordering on all-out socialism.
We'll see. I still think Biden's there for the long term, but the others candidates & the media have started to take their shots at him. The amount of all out gushing over Kamela Harris' performance last night is notable. Caught some ABC radio correspondent while I was driving in to work this morning & he called her performance "amazing." Then when I logged in & started checking some headlines, more praise for Harris, & complaints from Bernie of ageism-which was definitely on display. So, does the media lovefest for the flavor of the day carry forth, or do the coming debates allow Biden a chance to bounce back & get some shine? It certainly feels like the media has cooled on him & likes the shiny new toy, at the moment.

3. The most realistic way to beat Trump is for a much more moderate Dem to emerge.
A guy like Hickenlooper fits this profile, but I don't think he's promising enough stuff to get out of the starting gate. He was virtually booed off the stage at a forum in California a couple of weeks back for telling the audience that socialism woudn't work. He stressed it again last night, but I'm not sure anyone wants to listen to him, given the cadre of "Everything's a Right, & It Should All Be Free" candidates he's up against.

4. Given 2 and 3 above, the Dems are killing their chances of success and guaranteeing a Trump win unless:
5. Some real dirt sticks to Trump, or
6. Trump gets a late GOP opponent that promises more of Trump policies without the childish, egotistical, sometimes immoral behavior.



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Sep 29, 2011
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Seems to me....
1. The Democratic candidates are playing one-upsmanship with regards to how far left they can go and how much free stuff they can give away
2. The ultimate Democratic nominee will have promised an ultra-Liberal and free handout society bordering on all-out socialism.
3. The most realistic way to beat Trump is for a much more moderate Dem to emerge.
4. Given 2 and 3 above, the Dems are killing their chances of success and guaranteeing a Trump win unless:
5. Some real dirt sticks to Trump, or
6. Trump gets a late GOP opponent that promises more of Trump policies without the childish, egotistical, sometimes immoral behavior.



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It is the confrontational style of Trump that makes him the best suited for the Presidency at this juncture in our country's development. Simply having "Trump policies" would not be sufficient.

This country clearly wants and supports someone with a real backbone that will stand up to the lying media and stand up to the crooked congress and stand up to the foreign dictators and snobbish foreign partners.

I have not seen President engage in any "immoral behavior" while in office, so that comment seems out of place, and it also seems that the "childish and egotistical" behavior is the only way that he can squash the loud mouths of the left that constantly bash him. Honestly, the childish behavior STARTS from the left, and yea for President Trump for fighting back.
You might be convinced people are in love with Trump, I’m not. They love his results and might be ok with his confrontational style at times. But I think many voters just put up with his childish antics because there’s no real alternative, especially if it means a Liberal. If an adult GOP leader emerges that promises a continuation of economically impacted policies, I think they would have a decent chance. JMO.


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Jul 25, 2018
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You've got to admit that they have been promising "real dirt" on him since he started running. Sure, it is possible, but I think the chances of anything significant coming out are getting slimmer each day.
Exactly.

Aren't we still waiting for those explosive tapes Tom Arnold & Omarosa had that were going to take him down?
 

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You've got to admit that they have been promising "real dirt" on him since he started running. Sure, it is possible, but I think the chances of anything significant coming out are getting slimmer each day.
Truthfully, the obstruction against the Constitutional authority of the House is substantial. The vast majority has not read the Mueller report, however when people can just sit and watch Mueller himself speak, and the off- topic nonsensical questions the Republicans throw out, attitudes regarding the fitness of our dear leader might begin to change.
 
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Seems to me....
1. The Democratic candidates are playing one-upsmanship with regards to how far left they can go and how much free stuff they can give away
A key part of this strategy now is framing everything as a "Right." When healthcare, housing, college, etc... get constantly referred to as a "Right", it's a not so subtle attempt to shift the collective mindset. If you oppose any/all of those things, you're seen as denying someone their "Rights." Pretty easy way to demonize anyone opposing these freebies.

2. The ultimate Democratic nominee will have promised an ultra-Liberal and free handout society bordering on all-out socialism.
We'll see. I still think Biden's there for the long term, but the others candidates & the media have started to take their shots at him. The amount of all out gushing over Kamela Harris' performance last night is notable. Caught some ABC radio correspondent while I was driving in to work this morning & he called her performance "amazing." Then when I logged in & started checking some headlines, more praise for Harris, & complaints from Bernie of ageism-which was definitely on display. So, does the media lovefest for the flavor of the day carry forth, or do the coming debates allow Biden a chance to bounce back & get some shine? It certainly feels like the media has cooled on him & likes the shiny new toy, at the moment.

3. The most realistic way to beat Trump is for a much more moderate Dem to emerge.
A guy like Hickenlooper fits this profile, but I don't think he's promising enough stuff to get out of the starting gate. He was virtually booed off the stage at a forum in California a couple of weeks back for telling the audience that socialism woudn't work. He stressed it again last night, but I'm not sure anyone wants to listen to him, given the cadre of "Everything's a Right, & It Should All Be Free" candidates he's up against.

4. Given 2 and 3 above, the Dems are killing their chances of success and guaranteeing a Trump win unless:
5. Some real dirt sticks to Trump, or
6. Trump gets a late GOP opponent that promises more of Trump policies without the childish, egotistical, sometimes immoral behavior.



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I guess the real point is - in order to stay in the race and ultimately get the Dem nomination, a candidate will have to go hard, hard left, including Biden. That strategy might win the nomination, but it’s a loser for the general election.


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Truthfully, the obstruction against the Constitutional authority of the House is substantial. The vast majority has not read the Mueller report, however when people can just sit and watch Mueller himself speak, and the off- topic nonsensical questions the Republicans throw out, attitudes regarding the fitness of our dear leader might begin to change.
https://news.yahoo.com/jimmy-carter...sia-154336913.html?.tsrc=notification-brknews

You & Jimmy should have a BillyBeer together. Lots to discuss!
 

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Truthfully, the obstruction against the Constitutional authority of the House is substantial. The vast majority has not read the Mueller report, however when people can just sit and watch Mueller himself speak, and the off- topic nonsensical questions the Republicans throw out, attitudes regarding the fitness of our dear leader might begin to change.
Nearly everything he has done has been "substantial" and it does not matter any more.

Compare to Gary Hart getting caught with a fully dressed model on his lap and it torpedoed him from front runner to out of the race. Trump has Russia allegations, paying off porn stars, recordings of him saying vulgar stuff, comments about how hot his own daughter is and on and on and on. It doesn't matter if you want it to matter, that stuff just doesn't matter. Our sensitivities to this stuff have changed.
To bring him down is going to take an absolute blockbuster charge with convincing evidence.
 

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I guess the real point is - in order to stay in the race and ultimately get the Dem nomination, a candidate will have to go hard, hard left, including Biden. That strategy might win the nomination, but it’s a loser for the general election.


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I don't think so. Democrats are a far cry from a homogeneous group. I think AOC is as nuts as many of you do, the only difference is I wouldn't!
 

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You might be convinced people are in love with Trump, I’m not. They love his results and might be ok with his confrontational style at times. But I think many voters just put up with his childish antics because there’s no real alternative, especially if it means a Liberal. If an adult GOP leader emerges that promises a continuation of economically impacted policies, I think they would have a decent chance. JMO.
That GOP leader won't be emerging. A) he/she didn't exist last time around - none of Trump's opponents would EVER have stood up to the left's attacks and we would have had another 4 years of a Bush-style presidency, and B) there won't be anyone outside of a Bush or Romney who could come anywhere close to raising enough money to challenge Trump. Only Trump can beat Trump at this point (and I wouldn't put it past him).
 

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You might be convinced people are in love with Trump, I’m not. They love his results and might be ok with his confrontational style at times. But I think many voters just put up with his childish antics because there’s no real alternative, especially if it means a Liberal. If an adult GOP leader emerges that promises a continuation of economically impacted policies, I think they would have a decent chance. JMO.


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well.... then there must have been "no real alternative" last time when he beat a field of 17 Republicans. Nope, that can't be it.

Something else is going on in America... many on the left are tired of business as usual, and most on the right have been tired of it for a long time, going so far as to create a grass roots tea-party movement.

I can't quite put my finger on it, but traditional "GOP Leaders" are not favored (apparently), for whatever reasons.

Even many "liberals" voted for Trump. The people of this country appear to be "tired of it" (same ole crap), and have and will go to extremes to ensure that real reform happens and that the swamp is drained.

Trump got elected simply because the GOP thought he was the guy that they could best control (versus Cruz), and because he appealed to so many that were just plain tired of what the left is offering.
 

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Nearly everything he has done has been "substantial" and it does not matter any more.

Compare to Gary Hart getting caught with a fully dressed model on his lap and it torpedoed him from front runner to out of the race. Trump has Russia allegations, paying off porn stars, recordings of him saying vulgar stuff, comments about how hot his own daughter is and on and on and on. It doesn't matter if you want it to matter, that stuff just doesn't matter. Our sensitivities to this stuff have changed.
To bring him down is going to take an absolute blockbuster charge with convincing evidence.
What can I say? Republicans have obstruction and hypocrisy down to an art form. I wish all you Constitution loving people would allow the equal powers to work unobstructed. It may take the voting citizens.