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Weird how the actions before games wasn't political when they covered the field from end zone to end zone with flags or had military jets fly over the stadium and shoot off cannons.

It's almost uncanny, how it's ONLY political when it's an expression some of you disagree with.

Personally, I've never cared if a defensive lineman is a socialist or a libertarian or anything in between. I do care if he puts the quarterback on his ass.

I think this is a big country and we have room for a diversity of opinions and I'm confident in my own opinions to know they work for me, but may not be right for the rest of society. I'm also intelligent enough to know my beliefs may change over time and that's OK.
 
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Weird how the actions before games wasn't political when they covered the field from end zone to end zone with flags or had military jets fly over the stadium and shoot off cannons.
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Probably because the vast majority does’t view showing the flag of the country as political. Nor should they. It is a celebration of our country.
 

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Weird how the actions before games wasn't political when they covered the field from end zone to end zone with flags or had military jets fly over the stadium and shoot off cannons.

It's almost uncanny, how it's ONLY political when it's an expression some of you disagree with.

Personally, I've never cared if a defensive lineman is a socialist or a libertarian or anything in between. I do care if he puts the quarterback on his ass.

I think this is a big country and we have room for a diversity of opinions and I'm confident in my own opinions to know they work for me, but may not be right for the rest of society. I'm also intelligent enough to know my beliefs may change over time and that's OK.
It's very sad to think that loving your country has become politicized. Very sad.
 

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I’d add college as well given what I read on Fox about the Big 12’s plans. It’s all become a joke.
I fully expect that the players will still be in the tunnel when the national anthem starts as always...So how is this a college issue? Serious question. I didn't notice this wanton politicization like the nba is displaying on the one college game I've watched so far.

Btw, anyone know the nba ratings or who the heck is even still in the playoffs? I have no clue and don't care, but it would be interesting to know what kind of interest it's gaining being basically the only show in town and with an audience that cannot attend in person.
 
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Btw, anyone know the nba ratings or who the heck is even still in the playoffs? I have no clue and don't care, but it would be interesting to know what kind of interest it's gaining being basically the only show in town and with an audience that cannot attend in person.
 

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I fully expect that the players will still be in the tunnel when the national anthem starts as always...So how is this a college issue? Serious question. I didn't notice this wanton politicization like the nba is displaying on the one college game I've watched so far.
Oh to my knowledge it has happened... Yet.


But apparently there's a healthy number of players that are joining together and wanting "change" so that they can advocate for causes before, during and after games.
 

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It's very sad to think that loving your country has become politicized. Very sad.
I think it's very sad that not recognizing that your country has room for improvement has become politicized.

I don't understand why there is a national anthem played before sporting events.

To me it just kind of feels like a hollowed out virtue signal.

I completely understand that the national anthem is popular and I get it. Starting a Go Pokes/Orange Power at a public gathering in Stillwater goes over much better than it does in other Big 12 cities.

I mean it's cool to me if people want to individually thank the government for the right to assemble / compete or whatever. But it has a North Korean feel to me, regardless of who's in office.
 

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I fully expect that the players will still be in the tunnel when the national anthem starts as always...So how is this a college issue? Serious question. I didn't notice this wanton politicization like the nba is displaying on the one college game I've watched so far.

Btw, anyone know the nba ratings or who the heck is even still in the playoffs? I have no clue and don't care, but it would be interesting to know what kind of interest it's gaining being basically the only show in town and with an audience that cannot attend in person.
Professional sports doesn’t need us anymore. The market outside of the US is vast.
 

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I think it's very sad that not recognizing that your country has room for improvement has become politicized.

I don't understand why there is a national anthem played before sporting events.

To me it just kind of feels like a hollowed out virtue signal.

I completely understand that the national anthem is popular and I get it. Starting a Go Pokes/Orange Power at a public gathering in Stillwater goes over much better than it does in other Big 12 cities.

I mean it's cool to me if people want to individually thank the government for the right to assemble / compete or whatever. But it has a North Korean feel to me, regardless of who's in office.
I think you nailed the problem right on the head.

To me it just kind of feels like a hollowed out virtue signal.
 

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Weird how the actions before games wasn't political when they covered the field from end zone to end zone with flags or had military jets fly over the stadium and shoot off cannons.
Because these events take place within the greatest and most free country in the world, the United States.

It's almost uncanny, how it's ONLY political when it's an expression some of you disagree with.
It’s an expression predicated on a false narrative established by someone who was throwing a temper tantrum for a raise.

Personally, I've never cared if a defensive lineman is a socialist or a libertarian or anything in between. I do care if he puts the quarterback on his ass.

I think this is a big country and we have room for a diversity of opinions and I'm confident in my own opinions to know they work for me, but may not be right for the rest of society. I'm also intelligent enough to know my beliefs may change over time and that's OK.
Libertarians believe in freedom.

Socialist do not. I care very much if someone with a platform is a Socialist. In their position they are an enemy of the state given their beliefs, desires, and plans are contingent upon replacing the foundation from which this country was built. There is a reason within our oath of service it says “all enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC”.

 
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I think it's very sad that not recognizing that your country has room for improvement has become politicized.

I don't understand why there is a national anthem played before sporting events.

To me it just kind of feels like a hollowed out virtue signal.

I completely understand that the national anthem is popular and I get it. Starting a Go Pokes/Orange Power at a public gathering in Stillwater goes over much better than it does in other Big 12 cities.

I mean it's cool to me if people want to individually thank the government for the right to assemble / compete or whatever. But it has a North Korean feel to me, regardless of who's in office.
Man. This saddens me that you have so little appreciation for what made our country what it is. I don't blame you as you are just a product of your experiences and upbringing.

Hopefully you and others like you do get some real world experience and get your eyes opened.
 

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I think it's very sad that not recognizing that your country has room for improvement has become politicized.

I don't understand why there is a national anthem played before sporting events.

To me it just kind of feels like a hollowed out virtue signal.

I completely understand that the national anthem is popular and I get it. Starting a Go Pokes/Orange Power at a public gathering in Stillwater goes over much better than it does in other Big 12 cities.

I mean it's cool to me if people want to individually thank the government for the right to assemble / compete or whatever. But it has a North Korean feel to me, regardless of who's in office.



I just wanted to post this particular anthem to show you how things used to be...this isn't unique, but I don't think we should ever forget the unity this shows...

I'm sorry you feel the way you do...It feels to me like seeing my Dad at his retirement standing with a few fellow officers, out in a field, hands over hearts, as the anthem played and their respective planes flew over their heads. These are the guys, and men like them who protected our way of life, kept the Soviets from launching Nukes and kept us alive and free when that freedom was very much threatened. It means to me that we have fought tyranny all over the world, lost hundreds of thousands of lives at great cost to family's and our nation so that we and others can even have the freedom of assembly at things like football games. That we won our freedom from the worlds super power of the time, the monarchy of Great Britain, fought and died to free Slaves from their bondage, fought and died to free Europe from evil oppression and free the Jews from their bondage...twice...and that our men, women, and boys have sacrificed so much for our right to be a free people with diverse viewpoints...that some kneel didn't bother me all that much, because I believed that those few don't really understand why we have the anthem. I felt sorry for them.

It's is a reminder of who we are as a people, a people who stand for freedom and justice for all, black, white, brown, male, female and all of us... It's to honor our dead hero's who gave that freedom to us. IF they understood that sacrifice to provide what we have, maybe they would stand with pride in our countries past struggles for the freedom of all peoples... It would be nice if we could be just be unified in at least in that purpose and understanding of a shared struggle for freedom. It's so sad to me that our National Anthem, once a thing of great pride in our past has becomes a thing of protest...of course this isn't completely new, but it is uniquely supported...which is the saddest part for me to see as well.
 
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think it's very sad that not recognizing that your country has room for improvement has become politicized.
I've never once suggested our country doesn't have room for improvement nor would I support such a position. THIS is exactly why I hate things becoming politicized. Because debate becomes impossible...."you either agree with me or you are obviously ok with racism" or "you're the one actually supporting racism for supporting this group". Once politics worms it's way in, that's all we are left with...finger pointing and blame.

BLM is a political movement. It's goals are political, not racial. I would be just as upset if the NBA painted NRA matters on the court. Not so much because I disagree with that statement, but because I know the drama that would be created by that would take away from the game, take away from my enjoyment. And I'm sure you can imagine the calls for boycotts from the left if that happened. I just don't want that political drama in my entertainment.

If you really think playing the national anthem is in any way as political as actual political groups like BLM or NRA then I'm just not sure how to respond to that.


But it has a North Korean feel to me, regardless of who's in office.
I actually enjoy the playing of the national anthem specifically because we are NOT like north korea. But that's just me.
 

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I think it's very sad that not recognizing that your country has room for improvement has become politicized.

I don't understand why there is a national anthem played before sporting events.

To me it just kind of feels like a hollowed out virtue signal.

I completely understand that the national anthem is popular and I get it. Starting a Go Pokes/Orange Power at a public gathering in Stillwater goes over much better than it does in other Big 12 cities.

I mean it's cool to me if people want to individually thank the government for the right to assemble / compete or whatever. But it has a North Korean feel to me, regardless of who's in office.
Do you even know a Veteran?

Have you ever met a WWII veteran? Ever got to sit down and just listen to one?

I had the honor of sitting one-on-one and listening to a marine retell the '84 embassy bombing, just s few years ago. Man was still recovering from survivor guilt 30+ yrs later because he was in a hospital bed on a military base when it happened and he lost all of his brothers. He and I were both in tears and I'll never forget that day.

So yeah, I look forward to hearing the national anthem as much as possible. You can just put your fingers in your ears, like a 4 yr old. Problem solved.
 

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Do you even know a Veteran?

Have you ever met a WWII veteran? Ever got to sit down and just listen to one?

I had the honor of sitting one-on-one and listening to a marine retell the '84 embassy bombing, just s few years ago. Man was still recovering from survivor guilt 30+ yrs later because he was in a hospital bed on a military base when it happened and he lost all of his brothers. He and I were both in tears and I'll never forget that day.

So yeah, I look forward to hearing the national anthem as much as possible. You can just put your fingers in your ears, like a 4 yr old. Problem solved.
Yes, my Grandfather served in the air force in WW2.

Played football in high school with two dudes that were Rangers in Iraq and Afghanistan. A former uncle (former through divorce, not death) was in Desert Shield.

Also know a ton of vets through standup comedy. I've never taken a poll of them, but they all get the protests and all get the reason behind it (racial injustice)

You do know that an Operation Enduring Freedom veteran and former NFL long snapper helped come up with kneeling?

At first, he pouted and acted butthurt like you're doing and wrote an article, but then discussed it with Kaepernick and came up with kneeling to show distress for a situation.

Ferl free to hate the kneel because it came from a Longhorn though.

https://youtu.be/0fhKYrHMHWs

HBO Real Sports

https://youtu.be/Vo5we3oCoTE



I think the way the media covers this issue is intended to divide us and not spur conversation.

The national anthem is a virtue signal.
The kneeling is a virtue signal.
The outrage over the kneeling is a virtue signal.

I think talking and listening with people who have different views are a great view to descalate people's tensions.
 
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A couple of other factors going on. There was a three month momentum break between March and the playoffs. Also watching a crowd of 20,000 people go nuts is not the same as watching 100 staff members.


Yes, my Grandfather served in the air force in WW2.

Played football in high school with two dudes that were Rangers in Iraq and Afghanistan. A former uncle (former through divorce, not death) was in Desert Shield.

Also know a ton of vets through standup comedy. I've never taken a poll of them, but they all get the protests and all get the reason behind it (racial injustice)

You do know that an Operation Enduring Freedom veteran and former NFL long snapper helped come up with kneeling?

At first, he pouted and acted butthurt like you're doing and wrote an article, but then discussed it with Kaepernick and came up with kneeling to show distress for a situation.

Ferl free to hate the kneel because it came from a Longhorn though.

https://youtu.be/0fhKYrHMHWs

HBO Real Sports

https://youtu.be/Vo5we3oCoTE



I think the way the media covers this issue is intended to divide us and not spur conversation.

The national anthem is a virtue signal.
The kneeling is a virtue signal.
The outrage over the kneeling is a virtue signal.

I think talking and listening with people who have different views are a great view to descalate people's tensions.
I wasn't arguing against the kneeling. I was arguing against the "supposed" politicized national anthem and your confusion to why it's even played at sporting events or any event for that matter.

I'm all for athletes and/or entertainers having the right to use their stardom and stage as a means to bring awareness to a cause. Kap should get to kneel for his cause just like Tebow should get to kneel for his cause. I, as a consumer, have the right to watch in support or turn away.

The national anthem is NOT a virtue signal. It's a tribute and a time of reflection... every.smurfing.time. Thank God you are in a MASSIVE minority on this. MASSIVE!