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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272112/crock-vote-lloyd-billingsley

CROCK THE VOTE
Grand theft election in California.
December 4, 2018

Lloyd Billingsley

Back on election night, Republicans were heading for victories in California. Three weeks later, Paul Ryan lamented, “we lost every close race.” For the outgoing House Speaker, it “defies logic,” and quite possibly election law as well.

This year California legalized “ballot harvesting,” which empowers a third party to collect ballots and deliver them to election officials. The more than 250,000 election day vote-by-mail drop-offs were also the result of ballot harvesting. And the Election Integrity Project California found discrepancies in the totals of poll and mail ballots cited by the state and four counties in southern California.

“It shouldn’t ‘defy logic’ that elections officials are meticulous in counting every eligible ballot,” California secretary of state Alex Padilla told reporters. “California works to ensure every ballot is counted properly and every ballot is accounted for. In the most populous state in the nation — and the state with the largest number of registered voters — this takes time.”

According to Padilla, “in California, we believe in an inclusive and accessible democracy,” and

“provide voters as many opportunities as possible to cast their ballots.” These include “no-excuse vote by mail, automatic voter registration, same-day voter registration, and early voting.”

Padilla talked up the “accuracy and integrity of our elections” but wasn’t about to allow any independent group to investigate the possibility of voter fraud. This was not a new development.

California’s 2015 “motor voter” law empowered the Department of Motor Vehicles automatically to register as voters those who get driver’s licenses. Secretary of State Alex Padilla claimed that protocols and “firewalls” would keep ineligibles from voting, but there was room for reasonable doubt. After the 2016 election, Padilla refused to release any information to a federal probe of voter fraud, which he called a “false and debunked” claim.

For the 2018 election, Padilla expected “millions of new voters on the rolls in the state of California.” True to form, by March, 2018, the DMV had issued licenses to more than one million illegals and from April to August registered 182,000 “new voters.” Padilla isn’t saying how many illegals actually voted or how many illegal ballots were among those “harvested” to flip close races for Democrats.

Instead of investigating, the state’s slavishly pro-Democrat establishment media pins the results on anti-Trump backlash. Politicians and pundits also ignore the state’s voting history. California voted for Ronald Reagan as governor and except for Lyndon Johnson in 1964, Republican presidential candidates won California in every election from 1952-1988. That includes Reagan’s two victories and George H.W. Bush in 1988.

In 1986, California passed Proposition 63, the Official Language of California Amendment. This measure directs the state legislature to “preserve the role of English as the state’s common language” and refrain from “passing laws which diminish or ignore the role of English as the

state’s common language.” A full 73 percent of California voters approved the measure but state officials ignored it. English proficiency is required for citizenship but in 2016, the California voter guide came in English and six other languages: Spanish, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Tagalog, and Vietnamese.

In 1996 voters passed Proposition 209, the California Civil Rights Initiative, by a margin of 54 to 46 percent. This measure ended racial, ethnic, and gender preferences in college admissions, state employment, and state contracting. The worst offender had been the University of California and current UC president Janet Napolitanostill gives preference to false-documented illegals, who get in-state tuition and even legal services.

In 1998, 60 percent of California voters passed Proposition 227, which barred bilingual education, which was really instruction entirely in Spanish for the children of illegals. By 2016, Democrats had enough votes to repeal the measure, and they looked to incoming illegals as their expanding electoral college.

According to an MIT study, the number of illegals in the United States is not 11 million but 22 million. Last year the Public Policy Institute of California pegged the number in the Golden State between 2.35 and 2.6 million, but the true figure, following the MIT model, is surely more than double.

California is a sanctuary state and offers illegals the most lavish benefits, including voter registration. That’s why the latest “caravan” is headed for California, the farthest place from Central America on the U.S.-Mexican border. Democrats are eager for a new shipment of voters. That’s why razaist attorney general Xavier Becerra threatens legal action against the Border Patrol, not the mobs of violent criminals who attack U.S. federal agents.

Meanwhile, secretary of state Alex Padilla claims accuracy and integrity in elections. On the other hand, Padilla refuses to cooperate with probes of voter fraud, declines to open up the voter rolls, and will not allow independent inspection of election results.

Without transparency, Paul Ryan has reason to doubt the results of the close races long after election night. Legitimate citizens and legal immigrants have good cause to suspect massive voter fraud, the best explanation for the electoral changes in California since the 1980s.
 

Cimarron

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Ballot harvesting” is political jargon for a practice in which organized workers or volunteers collect absentee ballots from certain voters and drop them off at a polling place or election office.


Yep, can anyone see any issues there...... Why does California even need private voter booths?


I was at a voter site a few weeks ago and there was an elderly gentleman that couldn't get inside easily so he voted from the front door while sitting in his vehicle. For this to happen they had to stop all other voters so this man could vote as everyone else stood patiently in line. Two poll workers (I assume one for each political party) stood and waited while he voted.

What this law allows is for organized workers to selectively harvest votes from the population. i.e. they only contact those that will vote for one party. Be ready to see more of this from both parties as volunteers go from door to door asking for your ballot in those states where it is legal. And there is no oversight at the place where the vote was placed by anyone other than the one party volunteer.
 
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Might want to look at the North Carolina election while we're at it. Pretty sad to say that if voter fraud does exist, it has nothing to do with illegals being scapegoated, and everything to do with our terrible two party system of winning at all costs over actual governance and leadership.
 

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Might want to look at the North Carolina election while we're at it. Pretty sad to say that if voter fraud does exist, it has nothing to do with illegals being scapegoated, and everything to do with our terrible two party system of winning at all costs over actual governance and leadership.
Nope...modus operandi for the Dems to focus the spotlight as swiftly and harshly as possible to divert from exactly the thing they are guilty of perpetrating. Orange County? What's an Orange County? REEEEEEEEEEEE.....NORTH CAROLINA!!!
 
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https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/272112/crock-vote-lloyd-billingsley

CROCK THE VOTE
Grand theft election in California.
December 4, 2018

Lloyd Billingsley

Back on election night, Republicans were heading for victories in California. Three weeks later, Paul Ryan lamented, “we lost every close race.” For the outgoing House Speaker, it “defies logic,” and quite possibly election law as well.

This year California legalized “ballot harvesting,” which empowers a third party to collect ballots and deliver them to election officials. The more than 250,000 election day vote-by-mail drop-offs were also the result of ballot harvesting. And the Election Integrity Project California found discrepancies in the totals of poll and mail ballots cited by the state and four counties in southern California.

“It shouldn’t ‘defy logic’ that elections officials are meticulous in counting every eligible ballot,” California secretary of state Alex Padilla told reporters. “California works to ensure every ballot is counted properly and every ballot is accounted for. In the most populous state in the nation — and the state with the largest number of registered voters — this takes time.”

According to Padilla, “in California, we believe in an inclusive and accessible democracy,” and

“provide voters as many opportunities as possible to cast their ballots.” These include “no-excuse vote by mail, automatic voter registration, same-day voter registration, and early voting.”

Padilla talked up the “accuracy and integrity of our elections” but wasn’t about to allow any independent group to investigate the possibility of voter fraud. This was not a new development.

California’s 2015 “motor voter” law empowered the Department of Motor Vehicles automatically to register as voters those who get driver’s licenses. Secretary of State Alex Padilla claimed that protocols and “firewalls” would keep ineligibles from voting, but there was room for reasonable doubt. After the 2016 election, Padilla refused to release any information to a federal probe of voter fraud, which he called a “false and debunked” claim.

For the 2018 election, Padilla expected “millions of new voters on the rolls in the state of California.” True to form, by March, 2018, the DMV had issued licenses to more than one million illegals and from April to August registered 182,000 “new voters.” Padilla isn’t saying how many illegals actually voted or how many illegal ballots were among those “harvested” to flip close races for Democrats.

Instead of investigating, the state’s slavishly pro-Democrat establishment media pins the results on anti-Trump backlash. Politicians and pundits also ignore the state’s voting history. California voted for Ronald Reagan as governor and except for Lyndon Johnson in 1964, Republican presidential candidates won California in every election from 1952-1988. That includes Reagan’s two victories and George H.W. Bush in 1988.

In 1986, California passed Proposition 63, the Official Language of California Amendment. This measure directs the state legislature to “preserve the role of English as the state’s common language” and refrain from “passing laws which diminish or ignore the role of English as the

state’s common language.” A full 73 percent of California voters approved the measure but state officials ignored it. English proficiency is required for citizenship but in 2016, the California voter guide came in English and six other languages: Spanish, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Tagalog, and Vietnamese.

In 1996 voters passed Proposition 209, the California Civil Rights Initiative, by a margin of 54 to 46 percent. This measure ended racial, ethnic, and gender preferences in college admissions, state employment, and state contracting. The worst offender had been the University of California and current UC president Janet Napolitanostill gives preference to false-documented illegals, who get in-state tuition and even legal services.

In 1998, 60 percent of California voters passed Proposition 227, which barred bilingual education, which was really instruction entirely in Spanish for the children of illegals. By 2016, Democrats had enough votes to repeal the measure, and they looked to incoming illegals as their expanding electoral college.

According to an MIT study, the number of illegals in the United States is not 11 million but 22 million. Last year the Public Policy Institute of California pegged the number in the Golden State between 2.35 and 2.6 million, but the true figure, following the MIT model, is surely more than double.

California is a sanctuary state and offers illegals the most lavish benefits, including voter registration. That’s why the latest “caravan” is headed for California, the farthest place from Central America on the U.S.-Mexican border. Democrats are eager for a new shipment of voters. That’s why razaist attorney general Xavier Becerra threatens legal action against the Border Patrol, not the mobs of violent criminals who attack U.S. federal agents.

Meanwhile, secretary of state Alex Padilla claims accuracy and integrity in elections. On the other hand, Padilla refuses to cooperate with probes of voter fraud, declines to open up the voter rolls, and will not allow independent inspection of election results.

Without transparency, Paul Ryan has reason to doubt the results of the close races long after election night. Legitimate citizens and legal immigrants have good cause to suspect massive voter fraud, the best explanation for the electoral changes in California since the 1980s.
Nobody...anywhere...NO ONE...believed the GOP would do well in California. Things happened as they were projected. This is such an absurd, click-bait for GOP supporters article, it's sad.

Here's something from a more reputable source that happens to be conservative:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018...sh-out-after-midterm-election-debacle-1000481
 
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Nobody...anywhere...NO ONE...believed the GOP would do well in California. Things happened as they were projected. This is such an absurd, click-bait for GOP supporters article, it's sad.

Here's something from a more reputable source that happens to be conservative:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018...sh-out-after-midterm-election-debacle-1000481
What's sad are your reading comprehension skills. While both articles make valid points the original one is loaded with facts backed up by statistics from reliable sources, while the article you linked is basically just commentary and ideas pedaled by pundits and politicians.

The real point is that Republicans in California did much worse then predicted, due to the the new ballot harvesting law and other changes to California law. Hundreds of thousands of votes appear after the fact having been presented by third-party groups and the state of California refuses to allow voter rolls to be examined in any fraud investigation, nor are independent eyes allowed to examine election results.

Call the original article what you will, but "click bait" is an asinine assessment.
 
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Nobody...anywhere...NO ONE...believed the GOP would do well in California. Things happened as they were projected. This is such an absurd, click-bait for GOP supporters article, it's sad.

Here's something from a more reputable source that happens to be conservative:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018...sh-out-after-midterm-election-debacle-1000481
Politico is NOT conservative, and was founded by two former WaPo folks... and it's not really "reputable", either.

MOSTLY, your first sentence is a broad generalization and a gross misrepresentation.

EVERYBODY believed that the GOP in OC would do well, and not lose the House seats that were lost - many of those are the very one's being contested. Many of the House seats that were lost, were from CA. It was very "unexpected", other than the fact that two billionaires bought those elections out funding the GOP by 7-1 and higher in key races. I've lived here over 35 years, and I have never ever seen the level and frequency of negative, nasty, brutal ads that were aired on Dana Rhorbacker and others. It was absolutely disgusting.

Absurd is your commentary.
 
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Might want to look at the North Carolina election while we're at it. Pretty sad to say that if voter fraud does exist, it has nothing to do with illegals being scapegoated, and everything to do with our terrible two party system of winning at all costs over actual governance and leadership.
If it was done in North Carolina where it is illegal, then consequences need to be delivered to the parties responsible. Democrat or republican, doesn't matter.
 
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If it was done in North Carolina where it is illegal, then consequences need to be delivered to the parties responsible. Democrat or republican, doesn't matter.
Agreed. I think you know how I feel about political parties. Only point I was making is that the scapegoating has been pointed at people recently, when it should be pointed at the parties. They are the organizations that have the ability to pull it off.
 
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Agreed. I think you know how I feel about political parties. Only point I was making is that the scapegoating has been pointed at people recently, when it should be pointed at the parties. They are the organizations that have the ability to pull it off.
Parties pull the strings, no doubt.

I'd say this though......... What I think conservatives feel is that California laws enable voter fraud by the "potential" recruitment of illegal immigrants to the voter rolls. There's certain to be some truth in that fear, how much truth is debatable but those fears will likely never be laid to rest because there will be no transparency allowed. Draw your own conclusion from that.
 
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The LA Times Opinion Board weighs in..........

No, Republicans didn't lose in California because of ballot harvesting. But the practice is concerning

By THE TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD
DEC 07, 2018 | 3:10 AM

Rather than take responsibility for their losses, Republicans have seized on a new state law that allows third parties to collect and turn in other people’s mail ballots to explain why they were so badly defeated in California races on Nov. 6.

According to the conspiracy theories being spouted by Republican leaders and then repeated in the internet echo chamber, the new law allowed Democrats to steal GOP seats in Orange County by sending campaign workers door to door, collecting thousands of mail ballots from guileless voters and doing who knows what to the ballots before handing them over — or not handing them over — to campaign officials.

It’s rubbish, of course. There’s no evidence that the ballot collection law was misused, even in the few reported cases when people turned in dozens of collected ballots. (Indeed, GOP campaigners employed the same tactic, just not as well, evidently.) Republicans are just looking for an excuse to explain their embarrassing election day drubbing.

But — and this is an important but — the Democrats set themselves up for exactly these kinds of allegations when they passed what really is an overly-permissive ballot collection law. It was written without sufficient safeguards, and suspicions of abuse were inevitable.

To reiterate: There’s absolute no reason to suspect fraud in last month’s election — not through “ballot harvesting” or in the large number of provisional ballots turned in or how long it took to count ballots, as Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has irresponsibly suggested. But the ballot collection law passed in 2106 does open the door to coercion and fraud and should be fixed or repealed before the next election.

Before the law was passed, only a family member or a member of the household was authorized to deliver a ballot on behalf of a registered voter. But AB 1921 relaxed that rule, allowing others — including canvassers, campaign workers and anyone else — to solicit voters to fill out ballots and deliver them.

The potential for misuse first became apparent in a special election in Los Angeles last year between two Democrats for an open seat in the state Assembly. In the final weeks of the race, complaints surfaced about aggressive campaign workers pressuring voters to hand over ballots on behalf of Wendy Carrillo, who ultimately won the race.

That’s only one way the law could be misused. Doesn’t it also encourage ballot collectors to gather the ballots and then “lose” them — oops! — on the way to the drop-off? Isn’t there the possibility that they might pay voters to hand over their unfilled mail ballots?

In light of November’s victory, the Democratic-controlled California Legislature may be reluctant to tinker with a law that might have contributed to its victory. But it should do so nonetheless, because failure to do so might jeopardize wide-scale adoption of election reforms over the next year. Only six of 58 counties, including Los Angeles starting in 2020, have committed to adopting the new reforms included in the state Voter’s Choice Act. As long as ballot harvesting continues, other counties may be understandably hesitant to participate in the new system, in which mail ballots will be sent to every voter. That’s millions of opportunities for misuse.

That would be unfortunate. The reforms in the Voter’s Choice Act do much to encourage voting — more than mass ballot collection does. Elections officials and Secretary of State Alex Padilla ought to urge lawmakers to resolve this problem; at the very least, they should limit the number of ballots that may be collected.

Meanwhile, instead of impugning the integrity of California’s voting system, we suggest Republicans focus their energy inward. There is no mystery to the historic upset, in which they lost every single statewide contest, seven of 14 U.S. House seats and enough state legislative seats to give Democrats a rare three-fourths majority in the state Assembly. This outcome was all but inevitable given the shifting demographics and politics of the state and the GOP’s stubborn insistence on demonizing immigrants and focusing on social conservative policies that don’t appeal to most Californians. Like the ballot collection law, this is fixable too.

This is why some states don’t allow ballot collection at all or limit ballot collectors to turning in only a small number of ballots. Colorado, for example, limits the number of ballots that can be turned in by a third party to 10, presumably making a race more difficult to manipulate.
 

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The LA Times Opinion Board weighs in..........

No, Republicans didn't lose in California because of ballot harvesting. But the practice is concerning

By THE TIMES EDITORIAL BOARD
DEC 07, 2018 | 3:10 AM

Rather than take responsibility for their losses, Republicans have seized on a new state law that allows third parties to collect and turn in other people’s mail ballots to explain why they were so badly defeated in California races on Nov. 6.

According to the conspiracy theories being spouted by Republican leaders and then repeated in the internet echo chamber, the new law allowed Democrats to steal GOP seats in Orange County by sending campaign workers door to door, collecting thousands of mail ballots from guileless voters and doing who knows what to the ballots before handing them over — or not handing them over — to campaign officials.

It’s rubbish, of course. There’s no evidence that the ballot collection law was misused, even in the few reported cases when people turned in dozens of collected ballots. (Indeed, GOP campaigners employed the same tactic, just not as well, evidently.) Republicans are just looking for an excuse to explain their embarrassing election day drubbing.

But — and this is an important but — the Democrats set themselves up for exactly these kinds of allegations when they passed what really is an overly-permissive ballot collection law. It was written without sufficient safeguards, and suspicions of abuse were inevitable.

To reiterate: There’s absolute no reason to suspect fraud in last month’s election — not through “ballot harvesting” or in the large number of provisional ballots turned in or how long it took to count ballots, as Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) has irresponsibly suggested. But the ballot collection law passed in 2106 does open the door to coercion and fraud and should be fixed or repealed before the next election.

Before the law was passed, only a family member or a member of the household was authorized to deliver a ballot on behalf of a registered voter. But AB 1921 relaxed that rule, allowing others — including canvassers, campaign workers and anyone else — to solicit voters to fill out ballots and deliver them.

The potential for misuse first became apparent in a special election in Los Angeles last year between two Democrats for an open seat in the state Assembly. In the final weeks of the race, complaints surfaced about aggressive campaign workers pressuring voters to hand over ballots on behalf of Wendy Carrillo, who ultimately won the race.

That’s only one way the law could be misused. Doesn’t it also encourage ballot collectors to gather the ballots and then “lose” them — oops! — on the way to the drop-off? Isn’t there the possibility that they might pay voters to hand over their unfilled mail ballots?

In light of November’s victory, the Democratic-controlled California Legislature may be reluctant to tinker with a law that might have contributed to its victory. But it should do so nonetheless, because failure to do so might jeopardize wide-scale adoption of election reforms over the next year. Only six of 58 counties, including Los Angeles starting in 2020, have committed to adopting the new reforms included in the state Voter’s Choice Act. As long as ballot harvesting continues, other counties may be understandably hesitant to participate in the new system, in which mail ballots will be sent to every voter. That’s millions of opportunities for misuse.

That would be unfortunate. The reforms in the Voter’s Choice Act do much to encourage voting — more than mass ballot collection does. Elections officials and Secretary of State Alex Padilla ought to urge lawmakers to resolve this problem; at the very least, they should limit the number of ballots that may be collected.

Meanwhile, instead of impugning the integrity of California’s voting system, we suggest Republicans focus their energy inward. There is no mystery to the historic upset, in which they lost every single statewide contest, seven of 14 U.S. House seats and enough state legislative seats to give Democrats a rare three-fourths majority in the state Assembly. This outcome was all but inevitable given the shifting demographics and politics of the state and the GOP’s stubborn insistence on demonizing immigrants and focusing on social conservative policies that don’t appeal to most Californians. Like the ballot collection law, this is fixable too.

This is why some states don’t allow ballot collection at all or limit ballot collectors to turning in only a small number of ballots. Colorado, for example, limits the number of ballots that can be turned in by a third party to 10, presumably making a race more difficult to manipulate.
Honest question.

Why dont you post on the main board or join the AV?

The political board is a troll breeding ground. I like to troll myself, so I say inflammatory things because morons who can't see beyond the end of their nose reply and I laugh at them.

But you seem ok. Maybe you should think about something better here
 
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Honest question.

Why dont you post on the main board or join the AV?

The political board is a troll breeding ground. I like to troll myself, so I say inflammatory things because morons who can't see beyond the end of their nose reply and I laugh at them.

But you seem ok. Maybe you should think about something better here
OK is relative to your point of observation, I can get you plenty of opinions here and elsewhere to dispute that conclusion. Besides, what could be better than this? LMAO

Seriously....... I don't join because I don't read that much onsite stuff (concerning the sports programs), so it would seem like a waste of money. I mainly go to the sports side to find out about times and viewing options on certain sports involving the Cowboys or Cowgirls. The sports forums are even worse than the political forums (arguably), too many people think they know more about it than the coaches of whatever particular sport they rant about. It gets old.

As for other forums on the non-sport side, same thing as before....... the banter means nothing in the scheme of things. There's only so much time to post (life gets in the way), so one board seems just about the right amount to follow.
 

OrangeFan69

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Politico is NOT conservative, and was founded by two former WaPo folks... and it's not really "reputable", either.

MOSTLY, your first sentence is a broad generalization and a gross misrepresentation.

EVERYBODY believed that the GOP in OC would do well, and not lose the House seats that were lost - many of those are the very one's being contested. Many of the House seats that were lost, were from CA. It was very "unexpected", other than the fact that two billionaires bought those elections out funding the GOP by 7-1 and higher in key races. I've lived here over 35 years, and I have never ever seen the level and frequency of negative, nasty, brutal ads that were aired on Dana Rhorbacker and others. It was absolutely disgusting.

Absurd is your commentary.
As someone who lived in Orange County and lives in Long Beach. Trump's constant attacks on immigrants, specifically Latinos caught up to him and this was a protest vote on Trump's race-baiting.