Can the division be rectified?

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Divisions like hatred and racism predated him by all of human history and will survive him the same. Trump is an easy scapegoat. The true problem is in our willingness to vilify and demonize each other in order to either destroy whatever or increase our advantage.

Who profits from division? Who gains from our citizens being on edge 100% of the time, and hunkering down ready to strike at the slightest perceived slight.

I don't think it's Trump necessarily, but he does absolutely nothing to help.
You mention racism, I think Trump has tried to help some in that regard. He touted the low black unemployment, did a lot of work on criminal justice reform, and signed the EO on police reform. Trump certainly deserves his fair share of criticism but I think it’s unfair to say he’s done absolutely nothing to try to help.
 

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For it to work you have to have a common set of principles and values you operate on. The expectation that people are equal, the common belief that doing harm to anyone white, brown, black will not be tolerated.the belief that people and or companies must work hard and not game the system would be a nice start.
And an understanding that there will always be hateful people in this world, of all colors, and beliefs, and that that doesn't define all people of that color or belief.
Those who are willing to be violent to attempt to overthrow our government for instance and recreate some socialist utopia. Socialism/communism are bad ideals that result in people being killed in large amounts by the government. Those trying to implement those forms of government are either ignorant, or they are somehow blissfully unaware and think that they will be part of the elite that isn't touched by the effects.

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Federalism is the answer. When the all powerful national government has too much power in our lives, everything hinges on who controls that power and we segregate into our idiotic national "teams". Let Oklahoma be Oklahoma. Let Oregon be Oregon.
Kind of like Trump has done with the pandemic. Let the governors govern while using the bully pulpit to provide constructive and other critical analysis when needed.
 

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Everybody in the country should turn off the news for a month. Use your time to volunteer or with your family. We would be so much better off if everybody just focused on common good instead of seeking out sources they know will tell them what they want to hear about the “outrage” of the day.

I did this a while back just because I didn’t have time to watch. It was life changing.
I agree 100%. I haven't watched the news, local or national in probably a month myself. I check the weather on the internet. I am getting a lot of stuff done around the farm I never seemed to have time to get to. I don't do any social media besides Orangepower and am very seriously considering stepping away for a few days because my brain simply can't take the same people (me included) posting practically the same thing thread after thread.
 

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I agree 100%. I haven't watched the news, local or national in probably a month myself. I check the weather on the internet. I am getting a lot of stuff done around the farm I never seemed to have time to get to. I don't do any social media besides Orangepower and am very seriously considering stepping away for a few days because my brain simply can't take the same people (me included) posting practically the same thing thread after thread.
After careful consideration, I have to decided to give my brain a rest and log off for a few days. I'll be back when I am mentally up to it. Until then...


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Is there an answer to this question that is affirmative?

Looking around I see so much division it is hard to imagine a closing of the gap. It is hard to see room for healing. I don't feel the need to hurl accusations. I want to pursue forgiveness and establish a path forward that allows people to grow. What about the current movements has any chance of this?

Let's say Trump resigned right now. Would there be healing?

Let's say Trump wins/losses in Nov. Healing?

For all our advancement we seem to have only widened the gap between each other. I refuse to see my brothers and sisters in this world as the enemy. That said, I don't require people to agree with me to receive my love. There are those here that want to sling bombs and fan the flames, and I can be said to be guilty of the same, though it is not my intention.

What is the price of unity? I am referring to real unity, not acquiescence to avoid conflict.

I fear that I know the answer, but I am crazy enough to hope. Maybe a fool's hope.
This is less about Trump and more about power .and influence. If Rubio, Cruz or another Presidential candidate that had a R in front of their name. It would have been the same if Hilary or any other candidate with a D in front of their name. These are the times we are living in, and its nuts.
 

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I think our best chance of "unity" is gonna be finding ourselves in a position where we're split in 3rds. A far left, a far right and then a common middle that think both the far left and far right are a bunch of nut bags.

On a similar note, I've discovered a youtube video series by Jubilee called "Middle Ground" where they take a few people from two different sides of a topic and ask questions of them to try and find a middle ground. The one I watched last night was Flat Earthers vs Scientists but there's a lot of videos related to current real issues.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBVNJo7nhINSjBZdNezW15PzOTCc-10m9
 

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I think our best chance of "unity" is gonna be finding ourselves in a position where we're split in 3rds. A far left, a far right and then a common middle that think both the far left and far right are a bunch of nut bags.

On a similar note, I've discovered a youtube video series by Jubilee called "Middle Ground" where they take a few people from two different sides of a topic and ask questions of them to try and find a middle ground. The one I watched last night was Flat Earthers vs Scientists but there's a lot of videos related to current real issues.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBVNJo7nhINSjBZdNezW15PzOTCc-10m9
Actually split in fours. Far left, Democrats pre-2000, Republicans pre-2008, Far right.
 
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The division will exist for as long as we point to the other side and holler, “See those folks?!? That’s why the division exists!”

I think that it might be a little while before rifts heal.
 
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Right now the more immediate question is “when will the riots (that pretend to be protests) cease?”

Answer: The day after Biden is elected. Which, if it happens, will tell us several things.

1. The protests are as much or more about Trump as they at about justice.
2. The left will have established themselves as the party of mob rule and lawlessness, at least until they get their way.
3. BLM will claim victory and likely will become a protected class in and of itself.
4. Democratic rule (control of both houses and the Pres) and the vast socialist agenda will be one person’s fault - Trump.

(Decide for yourself how much sarcasm, if any, is contained herein.)


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Jul 22, 2011
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Some sort of split seems inevitable.

State and local authorities are currently at odds with federal authorities over mass violence and vandalism. Just imagine if Trump wins, that will get 10x worse. If Biden wins and starts imposing a green new depression, red state authorities will just start ignoring federal law because it's the new normal. Not to mention there will be plenty of "militia" type groups doing god knows what.

Either way, I can't imagine any good outcome.
 
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Some sort of split seems inevitable.

State and local authorities are currently at odds with federal authorities over mass violence and vandalism. Just imagine if Trump wins, that will get 10x worse. If Biden wins and starts imposing a green new depression, red state authorities will just start ignoring federal law because it's the new normal. Not to mention there will be plenty of "militia" type groups doing god knows what.

Either way, I can't imagine any good outcome.
This , it doesn't matter who is pres. There are groups that want power for their own reasons. Term limits is what really needs to happen. There is too much dirt in DC, the lobbyists own DC. With term limits , at least they have to make "new" buys and not just keep blackmailing and paying off the career politicians.
 
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This , it doesn't matter who is pres. There are groups that want power for their own reasons. Term limits is what really needs to happen. There is too much dirt in DC, the lobbyists own DC. With term limits , at least they have to make "new" buys and not just keep blackmailing and paying off the career politicians.
Also, unlimited terms means politician make every decision based on “how will this win me re-election” not “how will this benefit my constituents”
 

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I think there are too many people with something to gain to let us live in harmony.

The Democrats have found a very effective marketing strategy to convince everyone who is not a straight, white, middle aged, male that they need the Democrats to look out for them in an unfair society. You'll never get a good job and likely get sexually assaulted if you don't vote Democrat. That's easier to sell if you convince everyone how unfair our society is, and has been, from the start. This is communicated by all the media that has bought into the Democrat ideology. Just look at this video of a cop doing something horrible.

The Republicans use the marketing strategy of "they're out to tear down our society and all that you hold dear". They want to take away the police, tell you who you can hire and fire, take away your guns and rename your sports team. That's an easier sell if you convince everyone that you must vote Republican our your world will fall apart. This is communicated by all the media that has bought into the Republican ideology. Just look at this video of a bunch of angry, stupid, kids doing horrible things.

Instead of debating which economic policies could most benefit the country, or how to handle foreign affairs, we are caught up in which restroom someone who had his junk surgically removed should use, or which statues are of people virtuous enough to deserve to stay?

It's Coke versus Pepsi or Nike versus Reebok. It's all about creating brand loyalty. I'll save you the suspense. It's not going away soon.