Bye Bye Trade War? China Plans $1 Trillion Buying Spree to Reduce US Trade Deficit

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Duke Silver

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4. Bolton may hold a grudge against Trump, meaning anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
5. Bolton is trying to sell a book and make money, meaning anything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
6. Trump was acquitted of abuse of power.
7. Everything Bolton says in a book must be disclosed and vetted and cleared. They already know what he knows. Anything else in the book is either a lie or not cleared. Putting something not cleared in a book means prison. I guarantee he doesn’t go to prison if you catch my drift
 

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7. Everything Bolton says in a book must be disclosed and vetted and cleared. They already know what he knows. Anything else in the book is either a lie or not cleared. Putting something not cleared in a book means prison. I guarantee he doesn’t go to prison if you catch my drift
Interesting turn I’ve witnessed here, China trade to Bolton testimony. Like I mentioned it’s pretty coincidental that China revealed the tariff adjustment after the finalization of the impeachment sh!t show.
As for Bolton either he lied in August or he was going to lie now, IF you believe the media, Schiff was either lying in 05 or he’s lying now. What I know is that we are winning the so called trade war with China, Mexico and Canada and the anti Trump group can’t get over it.
 
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Clearly you’d rather have a more politically correct Pres that pushes socialism over a jackass Pres that pushes economic success for the entire population. That’s some goofy calculus.

BTW, Trump didn’t use economic leverage surreptitiously against Ukraine. Ukraine got their aid without any action. Trump got nothing in return. Now, he MAY have tried to initially position himself to get some sort of benefit, but in the end he backed off any attempt he MAY have attempted. Have you been paying attention?

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Good lord, I know you're smarter than that.
 
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Uh, no, he is still a hawk that would undoubtedly have led us into war with Iran if Trump had listened to him. That doesn't make him a liar, nor does it make Trump clean on the issue at hand. More than one thing can be true at the same time, none of those issues are mutually exclusive. That's the problem with picking a side, which our current two party system dictates. Here are all things that are true:

1. Bolton is a hawk that favored regime change in Iran and by force if necessary.
2. Trump is not a hawk and favors economic leverage in foreign policy, including Iran, thus firing Bolton.
3. Trump abused his power and used economic leverage in the Ukraine scandal surreptitiously, which Bolton can most certainly confirm, if any confirmation is still needed.

I can list more, but the point is, we can quibble about the level of importance of any of the above, agree or disagree, but when we pick a side, it makes us incapable of evaluating each one on it's own merit. I despise Trump and will vote for whoever the democrats nominate this cycle, and my reasons are my own. But my reasons are not due to picking any side. There are several of Trumps positions I agree with and several I don't. I know most on this board don't care, but the point is, I try to evaluate each position on it's own merit, not through a lens of party affiliation.
No, my point was simple & it remains true.

Yes, Bolton is a hawk, & yes, we've been told repeatedly how Trump would blindly follow him into multiple conflicts. Didn't happen, end of story.

Yet another end of the world, oh my god, dose of over the top hyperbole that turned out completely untrue.

I'm not even sure what you claim to mean by the bolded line, btw, one sentence after you announced the side you picked.
 
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It is simple, just be honest. Just say "we know he did it, but we don't care." Basically what the senate said. I know enough of your posts to know you're not the typical Trump follower, you have both intelligence and a sense of decency, so I know you're not fooled by this charlatan. That concerns me more though, that decent, intelligent people are so willing to sell their souls to the ends justify the means path. Selling out is not a "crossroads" event, it happens over time, little by little. We all do it, I'm not on a high horse by any means. I guess I'm just a little saddened when I see how quickly and easily such a base, crass and obvious fraud has won over so many of my friends.
 
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It is simple, just be honest. Just say "we know he did it, but we don't care." Basically what the senate said. I know enough of your posts to know you're not the typical Trump follower, you have both intelligence and a sense of decency, so I know you're not fooled by this charlatan. That concerns me more though, that decent, intelligent people are so willing to sell their souls to the ends justify the means path. Selling out is not a "crossroads" event, it happens over time, little by little. We all do it, I'm not on a high horse by any means. I guess I'm just a little saddened when I see how quickly and easily such a base, crass and obvious fraud has won over so many of my friends.
I'd suggest that what you call selling out over time is the cumulative effect of the "this time we got him!" narrative that's been endless for 3 years. I'd also add that a percentage of people aren't naïve to think this doesn't happen all the time when it comes to US aid to foreign countries.

I've said this on here before, but my Trump-loathing, apolitical wife said around the holidays "what now? we've been hearing for how long now about all this stuff he's supposedly done, so what is it he's actually done?" She wants the guy gone, too, but she's fatigued by the whole fiasco, disgusted by both parties, & doesn't believe much of anything either side says any more.
 
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I'd suggest that what you call selling out over time is the cumulative effect of the "this time we got him!" narrative that's been endless for 3 years. I'd also add that a percentage of people aren't naïve to think this doesn't happen all the time when it comes to US aid to foreign countries.

I've said this on here before, but my Trump-loathing, apolitical wife said around the holidays "what now? we've been hearing for how long now about all this stuff he's supposedly done, so what is it he's actually done?" She wants the guy gone, too, but she's fatigued by the whole fiasco, disgusted by both parties, & doesn't believe much of anything either side says any more.
That is his plan. Nothing matters but Trump.
 

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That is his plan. Nothing matters but Trump.
It's really the stupidity of congress and a politically motivated media. If they would STFU Trump would of hung himself. Instead they have given him the ammo to play victim. I think it's funny but I really hate the socialist party so my opinion may be skewed.
 
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It is simple, just be honest. Just say "we know he did it, but we don't care." Basically what the senate said. I know enough of your posts to know you're not the typical Trump follower, you have both intelligence and a sense of decency, so I know you're not fooled by this charlatan. That concerns me more though, that decent, intelligent people are so willing to sell their souls to the ends justify the means path. Selling out is not a "crossroads" event, it happens over time, little by little. We all do it, I'm not on a high horse by any means. I guess I'm just a little saddened when I see how quickly and easily such a base, crass and obvious fraud has won over so many of my friends.
Trump is a jackass. There is more evidence the request for an investigation was not officially tied to the release of aid than there is proof they were tied together. And unless there is proof Trump was ONLY trying to discredit Biden, and, proof the official communication to Ukraine, sanctioned by Trump, was no aid until an announced investigation, I can’t support his removal. Especially since the aid was released, no investigation was announced, and the evidence clearly points to corruption by the Bidens.
Is Trump an angel? NFW. Did he have at least partially corrupt intent? Probably. But if Biden wasn’t running for Pres, EVERYTHING Trump did is copacetic, thus just the mere fact of Biden’s candidacy shouldn’t convict Trump without a mountain of proof.

Oh, and obstruction of Congress. That’s a joke.

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