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SLVRBK

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I sent the Farage video to a German friend of mine, his reply was simple "He makes some good points."
 

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The look on the chicks face at the end is about the same as the Botox Granny will have when Trump wins more than 40 states and R retake the house and expand in the senate. Will you please remove those flags!
 
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I understand your impulse to fit into your left/right Worldview, but a large part of the people who delivered the referendum result and the conservative majority that are carrying out the result are northern labor voters, solidly on the left. Brexit was about nationalism and populism versus elitism and globalism.
 

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Very good piece by Stephen Walt in Foreign Policy, it's a long read but the opening is below. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/06/europes-post-brexit-future-is-looking-scary/

Europe’s Post-Brexit Future Is Looking Scary
The continent is suddenly facing serious questions about its future role in world politics—and even in the trans-Atlantic relationship.

Elvis has left the building, and Britain has left the European Union. Although a few pundits claimed it would never actually occur, Brexit did in fact happen. The full ramifications won’t be known for some time, but the EU slogan of “ever-deeper union” clearly took a hit on Jan. 31.

This setback is the latest in a series of body blows that the EU has endured over the past two decades. The first was the Balkan Wars of the 1990s, where the EU proved unable to handle the conflict without calling in the United States. The next blow was the protracted eurozone crisis, which led to severe economic hardships in several countries, fueled considerable resentment between creditor and debtor nations, and ate up vast amounts of time and political capital. The third was the 2015 refugee crisis, which exposed deep divisions within the EU and gave far-right nationalist movements and illiberal leaders like Hungary’s Viktor Orban a major boost.

Brexit came next, followed by U.S. President Donald Trump, whose hostility to the EU and repeated threats to leave NATO have sent shock waves through European capitals. Past U.S. presidents have complained that NATO members weren’t pulling their weight, but none of them ever made a credible threat to actually withdraw from the alliance. Trump is different: nobody in Europe is completely sure he won’t get up some morning and decide to take the United States out of NATO.

For those of us who admire the values the European Union stands for and its many achievements over the years, these developments are deeply disheartening. For an eloquent but gloomy reflection along these lines, see the columnist Roger Cohen’s eulogy here. But I fear the problems Europe is facing go far beyond Britain’s decision to leave and raise serious questions about Europe’s future role in world politics. They also cast further doubts about the future of trans-Atlantic relations.
 

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Very good piece by Stephen Walt in Foreign Policy, it's a long read but the opening is below. https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/06/europes-post-brexit-future-is-looking-scary/

Europe’s Post-Brexit Future Is Looking Scary
The continent is suddenly facing serious questions about its future role in world politics—and even in the trans-Atlantic relationship.

Elvis has left the building, and Britain has left the European Union. Although a few pundits claimed it would never actually occur, Brexit did in fact happen. The full ramifications won’t be known for some time, but the EU slogan of “ever-deeper union” clearly took a hit on Jan. 31.

This setback is the latest in a series of body blows that the EU has endured over the past two decades. The first was the Balkan Wars of the 1990s, where the EU proved unable to handle the conflict without calling in the United States. The next blow was the protracted eurozone crisis, which led to severe economic hardships in several countries, fueled considerable resentment between creditor and debtor nations, and ate up vast amounts of time and political capital. The third was the 2015 refugee crisis, which exposed deep divisions within the EU and gave far-right nationalist movements and illiberal leaders like Hungary’s Viktor Orban a major boost.

Brexit came next, followed by U.S. President Donald Trump, whose hostility to the EU and repeated threats to leave NATO have sent shock waves through European capitals. Past U.S. presidents have complained that NATO members weren’t pulling their weight, but none of them ever made a credible threat to actually withdraw from the alliance. Trump is different: nobody in Europe is completely sure he won’t get up some morning and decide to take the United States out of NATO.

For those of us who admire the values the European Union stands for and its many achievements over the years, these developments are deeply disheartening. For an eloquent but gloomy reflection along these lines, see the columnist Roger Cohen’s eulogy here. But I fear the problems Europe is facing go far beyond Britain’s decision to leave and raise serious questions about Europe’s future role in world politics. They also cast further doubts about the future of trans-Atlantic relations.
it’s an interesting article and some of it mirrors what we discussed previously and some of it ‘I believe’ he is wrong about. Where the author and this often happens in pieces like this, loses me, is the name calling, people are not prejudiced just because they are nationalist. That notion is simply incorrect, you can be either, you can be both or some combination it’s a lazy and ill advised insult that comes across as less informative and more condescending.