Bizarre story about Scott Pruitt comes to light

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steross

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Did you say New York Times? I have come to distrust anything they write.
Please stop. Fine if you want to disagree or even ignore NYT editorials. But, when it is a fact-based piece with obviously documented material, the claim that you "distrust" the NYT so will just ignore the obvious makes you look like a backwoods hick on facebook. That is exactly what they say.

The truth is the truth no matter where it is written. What you don't understand is you cannot bias a documented fact. But, you can bias yourself by ignoring facts that you do not want to see with superfluous excuses.

When JAMA or NEJM comes out with an editorial for gun control, fine to complain against it. But, to use the fact that they wrote that editorial to say that you will not read the next well researched scientific paper published in the journal is dumb. That is exactly what you are doing here. As a fellow physician, you are embarrassing me.
 
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Please stop. Fine if you want to disagree or even ignore NYT editorials. But, when it is a fact-based piece with obviously documented material, the claim that you "distrust" the NYT so will just ignore the obvious makes you look like a backwoods hick on facebook. That is exactly what they say.

The truth is the truth no matter where it is written. What you don't understand is you cannot bias a documented fact. But, you can bias yourself by ignoring facts that you do not want to see with superfluous excuses.

When JAMA or NEJM comes out with an editorial for gun control, fine to complain against it. But, to use the fact that they wrote that editorial to say that you will not read the next well researched scientific paper published in the journal is dumb. That is exactly what you are doing here. As a fellow physician, you are embarrassing me.
Why can't he have his opinion to distrust nyt ? I would most likely if I cared to read that bird cage liner.
 

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Why can't he have his opinion to distrust nyt ? I would most likely if I cared to read that bird cage liner.
He can have that opinion. It is just wrong.
People mix up opinion and fact-based journalism.
If your teen lies to you about what time he came home after a night out with friends, you don't trust your teen to stay out late at night. If he walks into your room covered in smelly water and says the drain pipe is clogged, you don't say, "You stayed out late one night, I can't trust that the drain pipe is clogged."

If an article states, "thought the FIOA, we obtained emails that state that X person contacted Y person and Z occurred" it is a load of BS to say "Can't trust those facts as they came from the NYT and their opinion section is full of lies."

People on the left do the same with Fox. If Fox reports a factual item, it is nonsense to say "That's just Faux news." It shows someone that has lost the ability to think for themselves. It shows someone that is blinded by partisanship. I don't care which side they are on.
 

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https://twitter.com/elainaplott/status/1004436279151546369


According to one top EPA official, the 26-year-old was “tired of being thrown under the bus by Pruitt,” and weary of seeing her name constantly appear in headlines about the agency. Officials began drafting her resignation paperwork on Monday morning, just after portions of her congressional testimony had been made public.
 
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He can have that opinion. It is just wrong.
People mix up opinion and fact-based journalism.
If your teen lies to you about what time he came home after a night out with friends, you don't trust your teen to stay out late at night. If he walks into your room covered in smelly water and says the drain pipe is clogged, you don't say, "You stayed out late one night, I can't trust that the drain pipe is clogged."

If an article states, "thought the FIOA, we obtained emails that state that X person contacted Y person and Z occurred" it is a load of BS to say "Can't trust those facts as they came from the NYT and their opinion section is full of lies."

People on the left do the same with Fox. If Fox reports a factual item, it is nonsense to say "That's just Faux news." It shows someone that has lost the ability to think for themselves. It shows someone that is blinded by partisanship. I don't care which side they are on.
See , you cannot start off with he can have that opinion it's just wrong. I quit reading right there.
 

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See , you cannot start off with he can have that opinion it's just wrong. I quit reading right there.
Ok, then you are suffering from the same problem that he is then. What is the point of being too good to read something?

I feel he is wrong. I explained why. If he/you can read it and tell me where I am wrong then great. I'll read that. But, if you want to avoid reading why he is wrong to keep some weird delusion up that Pruitt is not the center of the swamp, that is your problem, not mine. The evidence is pretty overwhelming.
 

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This perfect example of conservative garbage will not only destroy the EPA but help bring the planet to it's knees imho. And as the planet burns, Republicans fiddle away without even flinching as long as he abolishes regulations on industries that pay for their campaigns. I don't know how some people can sleep with themselves.
 
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He can have that opinion. It is just wrong.
People mix up opinion and fact-based journalism.
If your teen lies to you about what time he came home after a night out with friends, you don't trust your teen to stay out late at night. If he walks into your room covered in smelly water and says the drain pipe is clogged, you don't say, "You stayed out late one night, I can't trust that the drain pipe is clogged."

If an article states, "thought the FIOA, we obtained emails that state that X person contacted Y person and Z occurred" it is a load of BS to say "Can't trust those facts as they came from the NYT and their opinion section is full of lies."

People on the left do the same with Fox. If Fox reports a factual item, it is nonsense to say "That's just Faux news." It shows someone that has lost the ability to think for themselves. It shows someone that is blinded by partisanship. I don't care which side they are on.
This is probably the scariest thing that's happening right now for me. So many people in the last two years have learned how divided the media is, to the point you can literally live in whatever reality you choose based on which outlets you want to follow. And instead of trying to balance out the media they consume to get a more balanced perspective they've just buried themselves deeper into whichever bubble they built for themselves in the first place.
 

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This perfect example of conservative garbage will not only destroy the EPA but help bring the planet to it's knees imho. And as the planet burns, Republicans fiddle away without even flinching as long as he abolishes regulations on industries that pay for their campaigns. I don't know how some people can sleep with themselves.
As far as voting is concerned, hopefully some of the ignorant will be smart enough to realize they are too ignorant to vote. Others may go by the saying, "Don't vote, it only encourages them." It all means being able to sleep at night with themselves.
 

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Whistleblower: EPA's Pruitt kept secret calendar to hide meetings
BY SCOTT BRONSTEIN, CURT DEVINE AND DREW GRIFFIN, CNN
Published: Mon, July 2, 2018 8:54 AM Updated: Mon, July 2, 2018 7:49 PM
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Environmental Protection Agency administrator Scott Pruitt listens as President Donald Trump speaks during a cabinet meeting at the White House, Thursday, June 21, 2018, in Washington. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt and his aides have kept "secret" calendars and schedules to overtly hide controversial meetings or calls with industry representatives and others, according to a former EPA official who is expected to soon testify before Congress. A review of EPA documents by CNN found discrepancies between Pruitt's official calendar and other records.
EPA staffers met routinely in Pruitt's office to "scrub," alter or remove from Pruitt's official calendar numerous records because they might "look bad," according to Kevin Chmielewski, Pruitt's former deputy chief of staff for operations, who attended the meetings.
A CNN review which compared Pruitt's public calendar with internal EPA schedules and emails shows more than two dozen meetings, events or calls were omitted from his public calendar.
Chmielewski said that some interactions were intentionally removed from Pruitt's calendar after they occurred, such as meetings in June 2017 between Pruitt and Cardinal George Pell, who was charged weeks later with multiple historical charges of sexual offenses. Pell has pleaded not guilty.
"We would have meetings what we were going to take off on the official schedule. We had at one point three different schedules. One of them was one that no one else saw except three or four of us," Chmielewski told CNN. "It was a secret ... and they would decide what to nix from the public calendar."
Chmielewski says he was forced to leave the EPA in February after raising questions about Pruitt's spending and management.
If the allegations are true, the practice of keeping secret calendars and altering or deleting records of meetings could violate federal law as either "falsifying records" or hiding public records, according to legal experts interviewed by CNN.
"If somebody changed, deleted, scrubbed a federal record with the intent of deceiving the public or intent of deceiving anybody, it could very well be a violation of federal law," said Larry Noble, a former general counsel at the Federal Election Commission.
Chmielewski said Pruitt's aides would print sections of the private calendar containing details of events, gather around a table, sometimes in Pruitt's office, and decide what would be omitted or altered on the public calendar. He said this often occurred under Pruitt's direction.
CNN has reached out to EPA repeatedly for comment on the allegations.
Chmielewski's description of hiding controversial events from the public appears to be supported by discrepancies between Pruitt's public calendar posted on the EPA's website and internal schedules, emails and travel itineraries that have been released by the agency in response to public records requests and lawsuits filed by the Sierra Club and Environmental Integrity Project.
While some of the omitted events CNN uncovered consisted of meetings with other government officials -- such as a lunch with Kellyanne Conway -- others involved meetings with industry executives and attorneys.


For example, Pruitt's public EPA schedule shows that his final meeting for the day of April 26, 2017, was with Australia's environmental minister, but an internal calendar shows that later the same day he attended a dinner at the BLT Prime restaurant inside Trump International Hotel hosted by coal producer Alliance Resource Partners and its CEO, Joseph Craft.
Craft, who donated $1 million to President Donald Trump's inauguration and has given millions more to mostly Republican candidates and committees, has advocated for the rollback of former President Barack Obama's coal-industry regulations.
While Pruitt's public calendar notes that he met with former Sen. Trent Lott in September 2017, his internal schedule shows that the meeting also included Anthony Chiarello, the then-CEO of shipping company TOTE. Chiarello and Pruitt discussed TOTE's ships and their fuel sources, according to documents and a TOTE spokesperson.
Seven of the undisclosed meetings involved individuals who were nominated or reportedly under consideration for EPA positions.

CNN has repeatedly asked EPA officials about the allegations and why the EPA calendar omits some information shown in internal records. The agency has not returned CNN's messages or calls.
The EPA's website with Pruitt's calendar states that it "displays meetings with staff, stakeholders, elected officials, and others outside the Agency."
Chmielewski said some events were only recorded in a "secret" calendar and have not been made public in documents released by the EPA.
In June 2017, Pruitt took a controversial trip to Italy that cost taxpayers $120,000. While there he dined with Cardinal Pell, a top Vatican official known for denying climate change who was then under investigation for claims of prior sexual offenses.

The dinner never appeared on Pruitt's official calendar. An EPA spokesperson previously said Pell was one of many at the dinner and that Pruitt was unaware the cardinal was coming there. Chmielewski says that is not true.
"All of our time at the Vatican was spent with Cardinal Pell. Cardinal Pell was basically our host. I mean, that was who we were going to meet with," Chmielewski said.
He said that in addition to dinner, Pruitt had two additional meetings with Pell that have not been previously reported. One was a lunch with Pell. The other was part of a Vatican tour. Chmielewski said he witnessed Pell greet Pruitt when Pruitt arrived at the Vatican, which is also supported by an internal EPA itinerary that at the time of Pruitt's arrival states, "Will meet Cardinal Pell."
About three weeks after the trip, Pell was charged in Australia with sexual assault offenses, and Pruitt's aides decided to remove Pell's name from the yet-to-be-released official EPA schedule, Chmielewski said.

"Once we came back and the Cardinal was actually charged with the offenses, I alerted [top EPA staff] and that's when it was basically taken off the schedule that we met with Cardinal Pell," Chmielewski said. Pell has vigorously denied the charges.
Chmielewski said EPA aides would disguise the details of some of Pruitt's meetings or calls by labeling them "staff briefing" on his public schedule.
On Oct 18 at 10:30 a.m., Pruitt's official calendar states, "Staff Briefing." But internal scheduling documents mark that time as "Meeting: Orange County Superfund Site," and emails show private attorneys representing a local water district confirmed that they would attend the meeting, which was originally requested on their behalf by conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt. Politico first reported that meeting.
William Ruckelshaus, the nation's first EPA administrator selected to start the agency by President Richard Nixon, and who was tapped again to be the administrator under President Ronald Reagan, told CNN he first began a long-running practice of publicly releasing the schedules of senior EPA officials. He said Pruitt should not meet with industry representatives or stakeholders without fully disclosing those interactions to the public.

"That destroys trust, and these regulatory agencies need trust. If they don't have it, they're in real trouble," Ruckelshaus said.
Representatives of former EPA Administrators Christine Todd Whitman (former Republican governor of New Jersey) and Gina McCarthy told CNN they sought to accurately publicize all meetings and calls with industry and environmental stakeholders.
Pruitt is facing at least 14 federal probes regarding his spending, management and ethics.