After the Disgraced Cohen, Limbaugh Still Stands Firmly Behind Trump

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I think his actions are in the best interest of the US based on the perceptions of his base, many of which are pro wrestling fans, etc. I know he is popular among his fans for keeping many of his campaign promises, which he has. But if the promises being kept are ones made to a mob of yowling rednecks in Alabama, there is a good chance that action is not in the best interest of the country as a whole.
I'll take that as "I'm not aware of anything that Trump has done that wasn't good for the country so I'll post some bigoted comments because I don't like him".
 
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I'll take that as "I'm not aware of anything that Trump has done that wasn't good for the country so I'll post some bigoted comments because I don't like him".
Lol, I come from a long line of yowling redneck pro wrestling fans I'll have you know.
 
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Not sure what the Obama clip has to do with the subject, I did keep my doctor, but to your actual question, it is an interesting one and I'll try my best to answer. In my view, Trump has been a shameless self-promoter his entire life, and I see nothing to make me think he has suddenly answered a higher calling now.

As far as his actions being in the best interest of the US, I think his actions are in the best interest of the US based on the perceptions of his base, many of which are pro wrestling fans, etc. I know he is popular among his fans for keeping many of his campaign promises, which he has. But if the promises being kept are ones made to a mob of yowling rednecks in Alabama, there is a good chance that action is not in the best interest of the country as a whole.

I know I am not nearly smart or informed enough to predict if his policies will end up being positive or negative, and neither are you. Only time will tell, and even then, there will be disagreements as to the results and causes whatever they may be. The only thing we can ask of our president is that he consume all available information, and make the best decision he can based on that information. I believe we should elect a person with intelligence and character who can make good decisions on our behalf once they have access to all the information that POTUS has access to. I also believe that is why most presidents prior to this one have had a hard time keeping campaign promises, because once they are in office and have access to the information, they find it not wise to move forward with some of the things they espoused on the campaign trail. And that is what concerns me most with Trump. He seems to have no interest in consuming the information made available to him, if reports are true, and I have no reason to doubt them based on his twitter rants.
I think you’re wrong on the pro wrestling aspect. That demo has changed a lot in recent years. Besides only about 2.5 to 3 million watch pro wrestling now which leaves about 60 million Trump voters unaccounted for.

But regarding Trump, his demo has just as much a blue collar Midwest / rust belt feel to it to go along with southerners. It’s why he won the election. I think Trump haters want his base to be as you described, but it’s got a lot of Reagan Dems in it that turned away from the Dem party because of the identity politics. And I’ve been reading a lot of recent articles that say the local state Democrat party orgs are warning the DNC that none of the current Dem 2020 candidates can win PA, OH, WI against Trump because they are way out there on the left and this has those state level Dems terrified.
 

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Not sure what the Obama clip has to do with the subject, I did keep my doctor, but to your actual question, it is an interesting one and I'll try my best to answer. In my view, Trump has been a shameless self-promoter his entire life, and I see nothing to make me think he has suddenly answered a higher calling now.

As far as his actions being in the best interest of the US, I think his actions are in the best interest of the US based on the perceptions of his base, many of which are pro wrestling fans, etc. I know he is popular among his fans for keeping many of his campaign promises, which he has. But if the promises being kept are ones made to a mob of yowling rednecks in Alabama, there is a good chance that action is not in the best interest of the country as a whole.

I know I am not nearly smart or informed enough to predict if his policies will end up being positive or negative, and neither are you. Only time will tell, and even then, there will be disagreements as to the results and causes whatever they may be. The only thing we can ask of our president is that he consume all available information, and make the best decision he can based on that information. I believe we should elect a person with intelligence and character who can make good decisions on our behalf once they have access to all the information that POTUS has access to. I also believe that is why most presidents prior to this one have had a hard time keeping campaign promises, because once they are in office and have access to the information, they find it not wise to move forward with some of the things they espoused on the campaign trail. And that is what concerns me most with Trump. He seems to have no interest in consuming the information made available to him, if reports are true, and I have no reason to doubt them based on his twitter rants.
this entire post is inflammatory and disingenuous... Trump did not get elected by a bunch of redneck... and you freaking know that. He carried all of the independents and many centrists Democrats, including more ethnic voters than preceding Republicans.

Your whole post is a lie. I promised to pick conservative judges from a list - NOT for "his base" but for those where were actually on the fence about him... namely RINO's and constitutionalists.

your entire post is almost all lies.
 
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this entire post is inflammatory and disingenuous... Trump did not get elected by a bunch of redneck... and you freaking know that. He carried all of the independents and many centrists Democrats, including more ethnic voters than preceding Republicans.

Your whole post is a lie. I promised to pick conservative judges from a list - NOT for "his base" but for those where were actually on the fence about him... namely RINO's and constitutionalists.

your entire post is almost all lies.
It's opinion dick. Deal with it.
 
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I think you’re wrong on the pro wrestling aspect. That demo has changed a lot in recent years. Besides only about 2.5 to 3 million watch pro wrestling now which leaves about 60 million Trump voters unaccounted for.

But regarding Trump, his demo has just as much a blue collar Midwest / rust belt feel to it to go along with southerners. It’s why he won the election. I think Trump haters want his base to be as you described, but it’s got a lot of Reagan Dems in it that turned away from the Dem party because of the identity politics. And I’ve been reading a lot of recent articles that say the local state Democrat party orgs are warning the DNC that none of the current Dem 2020 candidates can win PA, OH, WI against Trump because they are way out there on the left and this has those state level Dems terrified.
The pro wrestling comment was mostly humor, although I think you get the point. His political style is decidedly populist, whether it be rust belt factory workers or whatever. I have also referred to this pocket of his support as the NASCAR element in previous posts, and you cannot deny that group is decidedly Trump any more than you can deny there is a decidedly unsavory element to the democrat party, call them the takers or welfare queens or whatever. As far as the next election, Trump gave the Dems the blueprint on how to win, and it is exactly the voters you described. And for that reason, I doubt they nominate any of the scary candidates, although I think the only centrist in the field with enough name recognition to win those states is Biden, and he is just too damn old and tired.
 

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The pro wrestling comment was mostly humor, although I think you get the point. His political style is decidedly populist, whether it be rust belt factory workers or whatever. I have also referred to this pocket of his support as the NASCAR element in previous posts, and you cannot deny that group is decidedly Trump any more than you can deny there is a decidedly unsavory element to the democrat party, call them the takers or welfare queens or whatever. As far as the next election, Trump gave the Dems the blueprint on how to win, and it is exactly the voters you described. And for that reason, I doubt they nominate any of the scary candidates, although I think the only centrist in the field with enough name recognition to win those states is Biden, and he is just too damn old and tired.
I think you got it completely backwards... THE PEOPLE gave Trump the blueprint on how to win (don't be a part of the establishment), and Trump ran with it.

Cruz was a close 2nd, but he had trouble shaking the "establishment" label for many....

Sanders was breaking hard from the mainstream (same as it always was) politics and gave the Clinton establishment a tough time.

The People are by and large, done with establishment politics, and the blueprint, if you want to call it that, is to offer what the majority of the people want, freedom, liberty and to be heard. Trump is really good at all of those things... Cruz and a few others did well for the same reasons.

If the democrats are going to pull off a presidential election, they will need to keep far away from the socialist factions, and start actually listening to the people..... we don't want ACA, don't want single payer, do want a wall, etc.... (and I'm not talking about conservatives - I'm talking about those who hover around the center, moderate democrats, independents, libertarians, moderate conservatives, etc.)

Trump won because he got the cross-over vote, not because NASCAR hicks liked him.
 
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I think you got it completely backwards... THE PEOPLE gave Trump the blueprint on how to win (don't be a part of the establishment), and Trump ran with it.

Cruz was a close 2nd, but he had trouble shaking the "establishment" label for many....

Sanders was breaking hard from the mainstream (same as it always was) politics and gave the Clinton establishment a tough time.

The People are by and large, done with establishment politics, and the blueprint, if you want to call it that, is to offer what the majority of the people want, freedom, liberty and to be heard. Trump is really good at all of those things... Cruz and a few others did well for the same reasons.

If the democrats are going to pull off a presidential election, they will need to keep far away from the socialist factions, and start actually listening to the people..... we don't want ACA, don't want single payer, do want a wall, etc.... (and I'm not talking about conservatives - I'm talking about those who hover around the center, moderate democrats, independents, libertarians, moderate conservatives, etc.)

Trump won because he got the cross-over vote, not because NASCAR hicks liked him.
Well, this is a post I can mostly agree with, although I hope you're not saying the NASCAR element didn't vote for him. Because of that element, he didn't have to campaign in Alabama or Oklahoma so he could focus on those voters that won him the election, the ones you describe, but only in a handful of states. The same as Hillary didn't have to campaign in California or New York. He ran an excellent campaign in the states where those voters could be had, and deserved the win, no doubt. But to make sweeping statements like "we don't want ACA, single payer, ...., is presumptive to the max. People want things that work, and I think for the most part, they're not experts enough on the complex subjects to really know what that is, and I put myself in that category. I don't know if the ACA or single payer would work better than what we have now. I find it hard to believe it could be much worse, but maybe it could be. Point being, I want someone intelligent in that position to lead, and I just don't think we have that now.

Oh, and on Cruz, I don't think it was an establishment problem, he couldn't get out of the primary due to his lack of the NASCAR element, which was all behind Trump. Personally, Cruz kinda gives me the creeps, but I would do backflips naked across Duck street before Bedlam next year if it meant having him as POTUS over Trump.
 

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Well, this is a post I can mostly agree with, although I hope you're not saying the NASCAR element didn't vote for him. Because of that element, he didn't have to campaign in Alabama or Oklahoma so he could focus on those voters that won him the election, the ones you describe, but only in a handful of states. The same as Hillary didn't have to campaign in California or New York. He ran an excellent campaign in the states where those voters could be had, and deserved the win, no doubt. But to make sweeping statements like "we don't want ACA, single payer, ...., is presumptive to the max. People want things that work, and I think for the most part, they're not experts enough on the complex subjects to really know what that is, and I put myself in that category. I don't know if the ACA or single payer would work better than what we have now. I find it hard to believe it could be much worse, but maybe it could be. Point being, I want someone intelligent in that position to lead, and I just don't think we have that now.

Oh, and on Cruz, I don't think it was an establishment problem, he couldn't get out of the primary due to his lack of the NASCAR element, which was all behind Trump. Personally, Cruz kinda gives me the creeps, but I would do backflips naked across Duck street before Bedlam next year if it meant having him as POTUS over Trump.
well... okay.....

I was talking about "what we want" based on polls at that time (people opposed ACA, etc.)

and Cruz did not lose because of NASCAR, he lost because the GOP kept Kasich in the race to make sure that Cruz could not get enough delegates to take the contest to the convention.

The GOP gave us Trump over Cruz in the primary..... and Hillary's flat out unlike-ability gave us Trump in the general.
 

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he has already proven to have the interests of American's first for 2 years now.... so no, not so gullible.
Does that include the fact that the US trade deficit hit a 10-year high in 2018, growing by $69 billion, according to figures released on Wednesday by the Census Bureau. Ten years ago was when a big recession got underway.

Also, while the federal government recorded a budget surplus in January, so far this budget year, the total deficit is 77 percent higher than the same period a year ago. If this fine with you? Just borrow the money to pay for it, and all will always be fine and dandy as long as the government is able to make interest payments on the debt.

And you actually still believe President Trump has done nothing wrong?
 
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Does that include the fact that the US trade deficit hit a 10-year high in 2018, growing by $69 billion, according to figures released on Wednesday by the Census Bureau. Ten years ago was when a big recession got underway.

Also, while the federal government recorded a budget surplus in January, so far this budget year, the total deficit is 77 percent higher than the same period a year ago. If this fine with you? Just borrow the money to pay for it, and all will always be fine and dandy as long as the government is able to make interest payments on the debt.

And you actually still believe President Trump has done nothing wrong?
don't put words in my mouth. I never said that Trump never did anything wrong. I said he has acted in the interest of Americans.

The trade deficit is the result of the tariff stuff, as you already know, and renown economists will tell you that trade deficit is good.
Milton Friedman schools Donald Trump and others who suffer from ‘upside-down’ thinking on trade and protectionism
http://www.aei.org/publication/milt...ide-down-thinking-on-trade-and-protectionism/

And the deficit spending is not the role of the President... spending is controlled by the HOUSE (i.e., the Democrats).

keep throwing out silly shiny objects to deflect the issues, maybe you'll get somebody to look at them... but not me.
 

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don't put words in my mouth. I never said that Trump never did anything wrong. I said he has acted in the interest of Americans.
Don't deny like an all out liar. Don't be like Trump. You really wrote early in this thread, "Trump has not done anything wrong up to this point." If you can't remember what you wrote, then that is your problem. It certainly isn't mine. Now what are you going to do about it? Go back and delete it?
 
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Don't deny like an all out liar. Don't be like Trump. You really wrote early in this thread, "Trump has not done anything wrong up to this point." If you can't remember what you wrote, then that is your problem. It certainly isn't mine. Now what are you going to do about it? Go back and delete it?
I guess it was the way you phrased it.... AS PRESIDENT...

you still can't name one thing that he's done wrong, against the people... as president

however, he did plenty wrong (allegedly) before he was President, I'm not making that argument.
 
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Not even close. He claimed Iran was not messing with our soldiers. Not true. October 2018 Iran was instigating tensions in the Persian Gulf. He later clarified arresting soldiers that is true. Claimed Assad had quit gassing. Not true. Said Assad quit after Trump air strikes. Again not true. Said Chinese economy was falling apart. Not true. Economy has slowed to a paltry 6.6% annual growth while ours was 2.3%. Implied that China had quit building islands in South China Sea when they haven’t.

And now you claim that almost all foreign aggression has subsided under Trump. Where do you get your news? Or is this another time when proven wrong you stop posting?
Let me be clear (cough,cough) (cough,cough,) (pregnant pause)

Barry Obama did not enforce his red line on gas attacks, THE DONALD did. As for your claims it has continued since the last missile strike, I can't confirm or deny that it happened but I would think it would be front and center to embarrass THE DONALD.

Barry Obama has less than 2% GDP growth per quarter and flatly stated good luck when THE DONALD said he could do better. THE DONALD has and continues to do so.

Shadowing a boat is not an aggressive action when compared with guys waving guns and speeding right at a boat and even capturing sailors. The Iranians were literally terrorizing our Navy with no consequence, taking prisoners at one time, Barry's reaction was to send them literally a plane full of money.

Your economic data is incorrect, the average growth during the Trump administration has been 3+% per quarter, until the Barry appointed Fed decided it couldn't stand prosperity and started jacking interest rates and has still stayed solidly close to 3%.

China's actions in the South China Sea have been severely curtailed and their economy is falling apart a little more each day.

GYFS